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Post by Bill Edwards on Sept 8, 2010 7:54:39 GMT
Yes, Flip is in future episodes! The actor's Perry Fitzpatrick. I wondered that about Banjo as well, Dave. He was great. Did you get to the Sheffield screening?
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Post by jill on Sept 8, 2010 8:42:52 GMT
Please tell me the comic genius who played the main bully has a recurring role! Agreed. The scene where he recruits Shaun is a blinder. Does anyone know who directed this first part of TIE '86? I heard that Shane wasn't directing all the episodes, just one, and I've got to be honest, this first one didn't feel like his work and was the first thing I've ever seen from Shane (aside from the Shaun recruiting scene, as mentioned above) that I didn't feel was glowing and superb. Shane is someone whose compassion for and sensitivity to the human condition always translates into his work, but here I felt it didn't. Also there were no credits at the end so we could see who the director was, and the programme was presented as "From Shane Meadows". I didn't think the writing was anywhere near as strong as Shane's films either, but I don't know anything about the writing / directing process that was going on behind the scenes. Whatever, this hasn't diminished my belief that Shane is one of the greatest filmmakers in Britain, and if he's shared writing and directing jobs on this series to spend time with his young family then he's also up there with the greatest dads in Britain. According to imdb (if it's right of course) the director of episode one was Tom Harper (Scouting Book for Boys) not Shane. Shane is credited as co-writer, but I have no idea whether the episodes were actually co-written or whether Shane and Jack Thorne wrote individual episodes. I liked the first episode. I think one of the problems with a first episode of any show-and particularly one that is going to run to only four slots-is that there's a huge amount to do in terms of setting up plot lines, introducing characters and establishing the tone etc. The show has to stand alone-a lot of viewers will not have seen TIE-and so there has to be enough to make it intelligible to those folks and pull 'em in straightaway (TV audiences are notorious for having the concentration span of a goldfish). The pacing on TV is very different from film too, which makes it harder to achieve that mix of humour and serious moments. And there's a large cast in TIE and most of them were introduced from the get go, so again that make's it a big writing challenge. All things considered I think they did good. I was particularly impressed with how Lol was written and played. Lol is going to be a big part of TIE 86, so there was a reason for this, but that doesn't make it easy to pull off. In TIE Lol had presence, because Vicky McClure has presence, but she was basically a foil for Woody and Combo. After one episode of TIE 86, I had a real sense of her as a person. I think maybe you need to give TV more time Jude. I didn't have a scooby what was going on in The Wire for about 4 episodes-mighty glad I stuck with it though
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Post by Gareth on Sept 8, 2010 9:23:10 GMT
it had ad breaks and all that exposition to deal with as well as baring in mind fans of the film and newcomers, I thought it was perfect,
The ginger chips guy was a bit larger than life but that really worked as I think we've all known a few dickheads like that and he was hilarious, he couldn't have came across more threatening because Combo's gonna be turning up.
I thought the biggest test for it was going to be watching the original film straight before hand and it just flowed seamlessly for me, I wasn't expecting that intro and transition, I'd recommend watching them back to back and just experiencing how well they flow together.
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Post by stevo on Sept 8, 2010 10:54:54 GMT
Loved the first episode last night, can't wait for the next! Don't know if anyone else thought this but the character Flip (Perry Fitzpatrick) reminded me of Mickey Maguire (Ciaran Griffiths) out of shameless! Haha.. Maybe that's just me!?
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2010 13:11:46 GMT
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2010 17:09:24 GMT
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Post by sugarbeat on Sept 8, 2010 20:37:32 GMT
I'm going to get lynched for this, but... I thought it was just quite good. I found it really tough to get to grips with the comic tone of the show, especially as the opening scene reminded me of just how brutal the ending of the film is. I thought the tone was more like Shameless; no bad thing in itself, but just a bit jarring when set against the film. If it was Smaltime the TV series, I'd have probably laughed at the 'chips bully', but as it was I sat there thinking "dial it down a bit mate". But there were a lot of positives too: it looked beautiful in HD, the peformances were mostly very strong, and it sets up the series very nicely. I think I'll have come to grips with the tone by episode two so I'm looking forward to the rest of the series.
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Post by Gareth on Sept 8, 2010 21:46:50 GMT
I'm going to get lynched for this, but... I thought it was just quite good. I found it really tough to get to grips with the comic tone of the show, especially as the opening scene reminded me of just how brutal the ending of the film is. I thought the tone was more like Shameless; no bad thing in itself, but just a bit jarring when set against the film. If it was Smaltime the TV series, I'd have probably laughed at the 'chips bully', but as it was I sat there thinking "dial it down a bit mate". But there were a lot of positives too: it looked beautiful in HD, the peformances were mostly very strong, and it sets up the series very nicely. I think I'll have come to grips with the tone by episode two so I'm looking forward to the rest of the series. youve gotta remember Sonny coming to the door wearing makeup in deadmans shoes and all the light bits in TIE, I know where your coming from and maybe if Shane directed that episode he would have dialed that particular performance down just a bit but also remember Morrell "Cant destroy you tonight lads I'm on some very serious business" and where he walks into the clothes shop and banana skins it onto the floor. Because the ending of Shanes films leave the effect they do its sometimes easy to forger how larger than life some of the funny stuff actually is.
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Post by Gareth on Sept 8, 2010 21:48:44 GMT
in fact I'm pretty sure now the guy who played the chips bully must have been a big fan of Morrell its very much the same type of guy
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2010 21:56:19 GMT
in fact I'm pretty sure now the guy who played the chips bully must have been a big fan of Morrell its very much the same type of guy .. although I don't think Flip is in anyway emotionally damaged like Morrell was, he's just acting in a way he thinks is hard. By the way.... where in the heck is Mr Keiran Hardcastle as Kez? Is he not in it either (like Jack O'Connel as Pukey)? Shame.
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Post by jill on Sept 8, 2010 22:07:04 GMT
I'm going to get lynched for this, but... I thought it was just quite good. I found it really tough to get to grips with the comic tone of the show, especially as the opening scene reminded me of just how brutal the ending of the film is. I thought the tone was more like Shameless; no bad thing in itself, but just a bit jarring when set against the film. If it was Smaltime the TV series, I'd have probably laughed at the 'chips bully', but as it was I sat there thinking "dial it down a bit mate". But there were a lot of positives too: it looked beautiful in HD, the peformances were mostly very strong, and it sets up the series very nicely. I think I'll have come to grips with the tone by episode two so I'm looking forward to the rest of the series. I don't think a genuine Meadows fan is going to get lynched for expressing an honest opinion Sugarbeat-I hope not. The only time I felt uncomfortable with the pacing was in the switch from the wheel chair race to the accompaniment of 'Happy Hour' (even though I love the House Martins and that song) and the intercut hospital scenes that are setting up what looks like a pretty serious and heavy 'Lol's story.' But I think the 'problem' might be ours rather that the programme's, meaning there's a transition between the film and the TV show (and the mediums) that necessarily has to be made-for lots of reasons- and that fans of TIE the film have to get their heads around that and come to terms with it. It did feel a bit frenetic at times, to me at least, but personally, I think the pacing and balance of TIE '86 will be better felt over four shows, rather than one-as a four hourish whole, if that makes sense. I honestly don't think the cast and crew could have done better given the challenges inherent in shifting the story from the big screen/film (and its conventions) to the telly and in getting a new audience on board, while taking existing fans with them. I'd sort of got myself into the mindset that this is something related to the film, but also a project with a life of it's own and I genuinely enjoyed it as TV drama on its own terms. Edit: Just one time, I'd like to make a post that doesn't have a glaring mistake in it!
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2010 22:10:23 GMT
I have to say that the main problem I had with the programme was that I couldn't sit back and watch the whole two hours in one go.
Speaking of the wheelchair race Jill, that's the one bit I didn't really like for some reason.
Oh, and speaking of Tom Harper directing (well someone was speaking of it ages ago)... I thought there were a couple of his trademark close-up-weird-angled-weird-motion face shots which proved it was him directing this episode. Shaun by the road in the grass, Meggy, and I think there may have been a Mick one too. Very Scouting Book For Boys.
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Post by jill on Sept 8, 2010 22:32:15 GMT
Oh, and speaking of Tom Harper directing (well someone was speaking of it ages ago)... I thought there were a couple of his trademark close-up-weird-angled-weird-motion face shots which proved it was him directing this episode. Shaun by the road in the grass, Meggy, and I think there may have been a Mick one too. Very Scouting Book For Boys. Now, now, let's not get all parochial, although I was kind of pleased to discover-or, more precisely to have confirmed by Rich- that the really wonderful 'cinematic' moment in the show, the opening sequence, was our own boys work
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Post by judecalverttoulmin on Sept 9, 2010 6:20:15 GMT
According to imdb (if it's right of course) the director of episode one was Tom Harper (Scouting Book for Boys) not Shane. Thanks jill - never thought of checking the imdb - I'd started a thread on my fb wall to advertise it the night before and someone told me after I'd posted on here. I was immensely relieved tbh as all the way through I was thinking "Shane can not have directed this, I just know he didn't." Like I said, it's a shame each episode wasn't credited. I think one of the problems with a first episode of any show-and particularly one that is going to run to only four slots-is that there's a huge amount to do in terms of setting up plot lines, introducing characters and establishing the tone etc. The show has to stand alone-a lot of viewers will not have seen TIE-and so there has to be enough to make it intelligible to those folks and pull 'em in straightaway (TV audiences are notorious for having the concentration span of a goldfish). True... The pacing on TV is very different from film too, which makes it harder to achieve that mix of humour and serious moments. I don't know whether it's harder as I've never done it; I realise it's different though. However there are plenty of TV shows where comedy/tragedy are interwoven beautifully - MadMen and Deadwood spring to mind. I was particularly impressed with how Lol was written and played....In TIE Lol had presence, because Vicky McClure has presence, but she was basically a foil for Woody and Combo. After one episode of TIE 86, I had a real sense of her as a person. True. Her performance was beautiful; she's an incredible actress. I think maybe you need to give TV more time Jude. It's not a question of giving it time. Look at the writing and execution of Deadwood and MadMen... I didn't have a scooby what was going on in The Wire for about 4 episodes-mighty glad I stuck with it though I didn't have a scooby what was going on for the first 5 episodes of Lost, realised I was wasting my life watching it and am now hugely relieved I stopped; what a pile of bilge. The Wire...missed that and one day I'll buy the box set and just watch it all back to back over a couple of weeks; I've heard the writing's great on that. Anyway, the beauty of art and music is that it's personal. What some people love, other people hate, and every opinion is just that, an opinion. The work *is*, just as TIE '86 *is*, no matter what anyone thinks of it right now. Only the test of time will tell. And even that's not infallible because in a thousand years maybe no-one will have heard about or understand or care about anything we do today, and maybe there won't be any humans around to do so anyway. So, nothing really matters...you may as well just get on with it and f**k what everyone thinks.
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Post by Gareth on Sept 9, 2010 7:55:50 GMT
I wonder if Pukey will be revealed to be in an underground bunker pressing a button every thirty seconds to stop the world ending
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