I'm writing my MA dissertation on This Is England and Shakespeare's second tetralogy of history plays, Richard II, Henry IV parts 1 and 2, and Henry V I was just wondering if anyone knows or has heard of Meadows ever mentioning these plays as any kind of source or influence on This Is England?
I'm sort of arguing that This is England could be viewed as a revisioning of the Henriad. I'm not saying that Shane actually intended to do this, just that it could be interpreted that way and would be interesting to know his views on Shakespeare. It's actually uncanny the amount of comparisons that can be made between the film and the plays as a set in terms of their themes and concerns. I can't find anything substantial either that Shane or anyone else has said on the subject so..... Mr Meadows, if you happen to see this I'd love to know what you think?
What you're doing sounds really interesting. Unfortunately, of the ones's you mention, I've only seen Henry V (Laurence Olivier on DVD). I do think there's something of the Shakespearean tragic hero in many of Shane's heroes though (Darcy-24:7-and Combo). Pretty ignorant about the England identity themes, would be interested to hear more, if you have time to post. Hope Shane replies to you.
Hi again, sorry I have been so long in replying, been busy doing research and the like. Yeah I definitely agree with you about the notions of English identity put across by Combo! Reading the plays and researching the contemporary National Front party it seems that for some people, sadly not much has changed in 400 years since Shakespeare was writing. It is unbelievable some of the views the National Front espouse on their website!!! Do you think it would be ok for me to post some questions to fans on here regarding This Is England and the idea of 'Englishness'. For me Meadows portarys a very realistic picture of England not just in the 80s but also now, hence This 'is' England. However, I'm English, I'm working class, grew up and still live on a council estate and for me the film portrays very earnestly a reality that I know. Really I would just like to know how other fans realte to the depiction of England and what it is that they think of when they personally imagine England as a nation and whether watching the film changed/reinforced or challenged that opinion. Also would it be ok to use any responses to my questions in my thesis with the permission of whoever responds? Thanks and best wishes Candis
This might be going way off at a tangent from your interest in Shakespeare specifically, but I do think the film interrogates the ambivalence in constructions of ‘Englishness’ and the tension between social class and constructions of Englishness. Constructions of ‘Englishness’ typically evoke an imaginary of a pre-industrial, rural idyll, an arcadia blighted by the brute forces of industrialisation (E.g. Larkin’s lament for the England of shadows, meadows, lanes, guildhalls and carved choirs, disfigured by the ugly scars of concrete and tyres). It's a province and privilege of the rich, translated by way of a classical education. The working class as the progeny of industrialisation, just have no place in this imaginary. I like to think that this is why Shane Meadows scarcely ever shoot his working class subjects in rural settings without including some industrial vestige in the frame (probably just my interpretation though). Lenny delivers the St. Crispin’s Day speech in a rundown pub, adorned with ragged flags, skirted by a car-park cum garden, with tatty corrugated-iron static caravans that make this ‘rural idyll’ look a bit like the office hub of a building site. I think the incongruity between nationalist rhetoric of Englishness delivered in the language of Shakespeare and the reality of the lives of those who listened is nicely summed up in Pukey’s, ‘do you really believe in all that shit?’
Anyway long reply. Posting your questions is fine. I hope you get some responses-sounds like an interesting thesis.
loll: Has anyone listened to the wonderful Joe Dempsie in Radio 4's Saturday Night and Sunday Morning? http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b039bg5f Online for 6 more days. I play Em'ler if Shane fancies giving me a job...
Sept 2, 2013 13:05:19 GMT
scouesnw: Shane I have a deal with Chanel 4 to write and produe a four part drama called Southgate.
Sept 20, 2013 1:27:47 GMT
scouesnw: It's very much like what you did with This is England only it's based on my own personel experiences of growing up in a North West town called Runcorn during the 1980s.
Sept 20, 2013 1:29:53 GMT
scouesnw: It's big. Very F*cking big. Tey are prepared to reconstruct the accual buildings and streets to scale with all of the details for effect.
Sept 20, 2013 1:31:52 GMT
scouesnw: This is South gate in Runcorn during the 1980s. I need your input on the script. So dearly want to bounce ideas off you please email me for more info at email@example.com
Sept 20, 2013 1:35:06 GMT
scouesnw: I am a former full time infantry soldier back from Afganistan. Thought about little else but writing. Nothing much of my home remains now. I need to share with you. I have the project I will only work with you on. because I want the same thing as you
Sept 20, 2013 1:43:53 GMT
scouesnw: So far I have merged This is England, Rocky and Shameless into a four part drama. Channel 4 are onboard with this - they like working with me.
Sept 20, 2013 1:49:03 GMT
scouesnw: I withdraw my everything I said about working with channel 4 - I do believe I can get them interested once I show them what I have. I really believe in this project. I have learned a great deal over the past twenty years and believe I do have something.
Sept 24, 2013 21:41:35 GMT
Dave: It's quite strange how simple some people believe it is to get favourite directors and TV channels interested in their work. "Happy talking, talking, happy talk"
Oct 16, 2013 15:25:23 GMT
deaksspeaks: Shane, I have added 'Made of Stone' to my A Level Media course this year. I wondered what chance of asking a few questions via email any time in the next six months. Currently sorting lessons based on the DVD's arrival. Cheers. firstname.lastname@example.org
Oct 22, 2013 21:37:20 GMT
burgess92: hi im new to this site and would like to just say hello. i was wondering about casting for any projects and how it would be possiable in getting in contact as im a young working actor. could anyone help me out ? cheers
Nov 6, 2013 16:46:25 GMT
b20kln: Hi guys.. just came here from Twitter.. Hope I could find some info on any supporting artist roles?
Nov 10, 2013 20:42:54 GMT