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Post by jez on May 11, 2008 20:46:17 GMT
I'm a new member, so I don't know if this has already been discussed a million times before, but, as Meadows is often described as 'the British Scorsese', who, in everyone's opinion, is the better director: Meadows or Scorsese?
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Post by Bill Edwards on May 11, 2008 21:30:58 GMT
Welcome to the forum Jez. It has, here and there. You'd have to do a search. Who do you think is the better? Although Shane Meadows sites Scorsese as a prime influence, I have always had trouble linking their styles in my head. To me they're very different film makers who make distinctly different films from one another. Consequently, I think they're incomparable and therefore it's meaningless to chose one as betterer than the other. If on the other hand I was being more personal... I'd say Meadows. Only coz his films have touched me in a way Scorsese's movies haven't. I don't belong to the Scorese forum for example. Is there one? I dunno. They have very similar eyebrows though...  |
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Post by Chewbaxter on May 11, 2008 22:38:14 GMT
Hmm... "Daddy or chips?", "Salt and Vinegar" or "Cheese & Onion", Aliens or Predators? Okay then... me opinion. I like some of the films of Scors. and all of the films of the Shanester - so I'm going with Shane for this one... and that's not me '*rse licking' just because it's a Meadows forum... if Shane ends up doing summat cack then I may change my mind... I'm fickle like that you see - but until then, I'm a Meadows Man (Jesus - I hope that don't sound camp!).  N. P.S. Oh it has to be Shane - I can't ever see Martin doing a 'Tank Bullock' - can't be matched! |
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Post by jez on May 12, 2008 9:51:43 GMT
I really don't know who to pick, although I do agree that their styles are extremely different. Scorsese uses breathtaking camera technique, whereas Meadows uses realism in a way that, in my opinion, has never been bettered. I'll say Meadows has a better hit-rate than Scorsese, considering four of his five feature films are absolutely outstanding, but Scorsese, despite an erratic career in terms of quality, has made many more movies, all of which have some merit, some of which are masterpieces. When Meadows has made as many as Scorsese, I think I'll be able to properly judge then. Although that may take some time.
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Post by shindig on May 12, 2008 10:24:26 GMT
P.S. Oh it has to be Shane - I can't ever see Martin doing a 'Tank Bullock' - can't be matched! Likewise, I don't expect Shane entering the back of a taxi giving it the 'I bet you think I'm pretty sick' routine. |
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Post by Kezz on May 12, 2008 23:25:00 GMT
To me it has always felt like Shane and Paddy are the younger, british Scorsese and De Niro.
The two of em have a growing reputation for a unique style that people are idolising all over the world, and they look set to be as reputable as marty and bobby r when they reach later life..
(So does that mean that if I try and follow after Paddy, I'll also be following after De Niro?)
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Post by Bill Edwards on May 13, 2008 12:37:22 GMT
Scorsese uses breathtaking camera technique, whereas Meadows uses realism in a way that, in my opinion, has never been bettered. I half agree with that! ;D I think that Shane entwines awesome camera techniques with realism. Meadows’s imagery fills the screen in very subtle and intuitive ways that Scorsese doesn’t do. Big cinema, like Scorsese, but without the bombast. DMS has this in droves for example. You can just about see many of Meadows’s influences in the first ten minutes of that film but they’re so well disguised by his own originality that you have to really analyse what’s going on to see it (er, like what I’m doing). To compare Meadows with another director, Kubric, (hey it’s fun! That’s all!) take the sequence in ARFRB in the therapeutic(?) pool. That nearly made me gasp when I first saw it. The composition is exceptional. The choice of music. That drifting camera is gorgeous! Remember the scene in 24/7 in the telephone box? Very tasty. Left to his own devices Meadows certainly makes films with ‘cinematic’ moments with many beautiful camera moves which have never compromised the realism and integrity of the work, only enhanced it. He even does surrealism with realism! |
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Post by shindig on May 13, 2008 16:10:56 GMT
Yes, this is starting to scare me. I'll back away a safe distance.
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Post by srg on May 13, 2008 17:36:53 GMT
toughie this one i must admit.
however i think that easier to judge when shanes career has the years martins has. as has been said before though shanes start has been phenomenal and i love every film he's done, so he's on the right track to surpass marty.
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Post by shindig on May 13, 2008 17:48:39 GMT
You're easily better than my mate Matthew, though. Pat yourself on the back for that, Shane.
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Post by jez on May 14, 2008 9:20:32 GMT
I think it's ace that I haven't seen one film of Shane's that's been whack, although I haven't seen Once Upon a Time in the Midlands, and apparently even Shane isn't too proud of that one...But considering it took Marty about four films to find his style, and Shane seems to have found his in one, it may well be that Shane is the better director. Plus, Dead Man's Shoes and This is England, two masterpieces in three years? That's pretty brilliant.
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Post by RydCook on May 14, 2008 19:23:17 GMT
I'm gonna say Meadows. Perhaps unfair as I (criminally perhaps) haven't seen many of the Scors' films. I will get round to them though.
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Post by jill on May 14, 2008 19:43:52 GMT
Ooh, unfair and impossible to answer. Has Shane yet made a Mean Streets, Taxi Driver or Raging Bull? Then again, has he yet had million dollar/pound budgets at his disposal? The only fair comparison would be the first 5 films of each maybe? Even then, I'm not sure that it would work.
Is that ambiguity going to get me kicked off the forum? I hope not. Shane's films have a particular and/or unique context, voice, style and resonance-that's why they're great ;D
Wonder what Shane thinks? Scorese being his inspiration an' all?
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Post by Dave on May 14, 2008 19:54:42 GMT
*spots another chance to use his old joke...*
What's all this Meadows/Scorsese comparison in aid of....
we all know that Shane Meadows is the Midlands Nick Love.... (and Paddy Considine is the Midlands Danny Dyer). ;D
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Post by jez on May 14, 2008 21:28:19 GMT
I don't know, I honestly think Nick Love has made some good films, and he has shown some fantastic potential, there's a chance he may prove us all wrong and become a great filmmaker one day. Haha, only jokin, I think he's rubbish.
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