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Post by Gareth on Oct 29, 2008 15:37:12 GMT
and one more thing, the whole nature of ideas means 90% of them are shit, be ruthless with your ideas, "put them in a bin and burn them" I read in an interview with Ben Blaine
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Post by Dave on Oct 29, 2008 15:46:19 GMT
and one more thing, the whole nature of ideas means 90% of them are shit, be ruthless with your ideas, "put them in a bin and burn them" I read in an interview with Ben Blaine Ah yes... that's why I very rarely get anything finished!  |
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Post by Dazza on Oct 29, 2008 16:46:01 GMT
Hmmmmmm
I said in my post I wasn’t going to bull shit the guy and be honest with him. I’m no longer going to make out something is great when it just isn’t. I can think of times I’ve made something that I thought was wonderful only for it to be shot down and then on the other hand I’ve made something that’s gone down well before and been really appreciated. That’s life not everyone is going to love what you do and you learn from what people say which makes you better.
I’m not going to say he’s made a good film when he hasn’t. What would be the point in doing that it’s disrespecting him as a film maker and myself for not being honest. If it was a good film then I would have praised the guy for it whole heartedly and all the hardwork that had gone into it.
If you actually read my post I’ve also given him positive advice about where to go to get music, what to do next, think of something thats going to grab attention, etc and even said I’d help in any way I can. I have nothing against this guy I’ve just been honest and tried to advise him the best I can.
How is this harsh or making me high and mighty? I don’t for one moment have a huge ego and think I’m a flawless film maker I learn a lot from every film I make! If I hadn’t had advice and over what was good what was bad I wouldn’t progress in anyway. As far as I can tell I thought my post was encouraging except the “Cant polish a turd” that maybe was a bit far.
Like I SAID in my post Will If I can help you out in anyway with your film making just ask I know Winchester well and its not far from me.
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Post by salvador on Oct 29, 2008 16:54:31 GMT
Dazz there was no personal attack on you there from me, I must admit the turd quote got me at the start but yeah no point in not being honest, I was just a bit shocked at everyone's response as its the first time I've seen that kind of reaction from everyone.
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Post by Gareth on Oct 29, 2008 17:21:28 GMT
and one more thing, the whole nature of ideas means 90% of them are shit, be ruthless with your ideas, "put them in a bin and burn them" I read in an interview with Ben Blaine Ah yes... that's why I very rarely get anything finished! haha same here, maybe think twice about taking that advice! |
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Post by shindig on Oct 29, 2008 18:05:21 GMT
Yeah, the film wasn't that sharp. I found some of the shot selections felt like they were crowbarred in and it wasn't funny. It can be funny if you find the right sort of inspiration. Try and remember actual breakfasts which went wrong.
For example, I once had a breakfast which ended with my mam slapping me twice. I was doing some toast and she hijacked it. I was naturally disgusted that she had stolen my toast and I dropped the f-bomb.
Mother didn't approve and slap-punched (that's when someone slaps you but it's stiffened up so it's like being clubbed round the face) twice. I spent the next hour in a sulk as I felt genuinely abused.
So, yeah. Or Morecambe and Wise.
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Post by wiggy on Oct 29, 2008 20:03:11 GMT
i think dazza means my comment because i mentioned ego's it wasn't aimed at you dazza, if you think it was then.... well! it was a random criticism, as mentioned people are getting better at making films but we are mostly all a long, long way from breaking into the big time, but because we are all learning as we gain more knowledge and skills it becomes easier to pick out faults with other peoples work, this can sometimes come across as a little egotistical as i think comments in a few other threads have done so, i agree that criticism is the best teacher but coming out with silly phrases like the turd one isn't a helpful line of text and to me sounded a little arrogant, (i don't think you are at all by the way dazza, you seem a really nice bloke) the comment could have been said in a sense of humor to me or most of the others but to a relative new comer who has only posted 16 times, we don't want to scare anyone away now do we, he might be the next stanly kubrik  |
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Post by Ria on Oct 30, 2008 14:33:58 GMT
Hmm...Interesting thread.
I'm not sure that I can add much to whats already been said, but as a very new member myself, i'd like to take this as an opportunity to say this; I posted my (one and only) film here (after a fair bit of lurking about), precisely because I knew I would get informed, thoughful responses, and honest citicism; all of which are represented in this thread. Equally though, to find such a supportive and generous environment on an internet board is a suprising and wonderful thing. I think harsh criticism is fair enough, so long as it comes from a genuine place, which i think is the case here.
Will, as for your film itself; well I'd agree with Salv that its technically pretty sound as far as it goes, so well done with that. My main problem with it is just that's its utterly underwhelming. I'm not convinced there's any need for another film lilke this is to exist out there is there really? I'm sure you must have something more interesting and original to say. That's what I take from it as a viewer.
But then, as you said in your original post, it's a little between projects thing isn't it? In which case, hopefully you've learned from the process and from the (all very useful) advice which it's generated here, and your next stuff will show an improvement as a result. For me, it's all about the learning, making mistakes and gaining experience. And I say that as someone who considers themselves very inexperienced!
Jeesh, that was a bit preachy wasn't it?! Sorry to have rambled on!
Thanks for re-linking to the Creating Tribes films Dave, I'm one of those that missed it first time around.
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Post by bleahaa on Oct 30, 2008 18:19:00 GMT
I dunno about all the fuss, I assume he is just starting out and by that standard it's not bad. The main problem like has been said already is the concept, it's just not terribly compelling. It could easily be the start of a longer film, but it could also be much, much shorter. Another edit might make it amusing, cut it down to 30-40 seconds, breakfast fucked up with brevity, and it would leave the viewer thinking 'is that it?' at the end as opposed to getting bored halfway through.
If the point is doing something mundane, you have to approach it in a way that makes it interesting. When it comes to stuff like is on display here, just look at Edgar Wright and Shaun of the Dead with the Raimi-esque crash zooms and thunderous sound effects as he butters his toast or brushes his teeth. I'd personally think of a way to show something that you see everyday but film it in a way that is different, unfitting or just plain ridiculous. If you want laughs that is.
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