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Post by RydCook on Nov 2, 2008 23:15:54 GMT
I'd rather see these crimes perpetrated a thousand times over than have to hear THE MOST ANNOYING THING Wannabe film-makers talking about what they would do if... If i had a film camera If i could get the right actors If the UK film industry would only If i could afford to do this.. Much as a lot of the stuff listed above grates on me and / or provides minutes of fun at least they're doing it. Excellent, excellent point! When you're starting out, it doesnt matter if its bad, you gotta learn some how. At least they're doing it! |
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Post by Dave on Nov 3, 2008 14:08:49 GMT
I think whatever your view of the list is, it's still excellent reading and helpful from either perspective.
One of the main things I try to take in to consideration when making something is whether people will think it is shit or not. But surely everyone does that? Well, you wouldn't think so when you see some films (and I see loads at work with all our festivals and what-not).
I think there is a rare skill in being able to have total awareness of what people may find shite or boring, and at the same time, not pander to some 'demographic', and not try to pander to what you imagine people want.
Is that contradictory? Almost, but I don't think it is, and that's why it is very, very hard to get right.
Seeing that many people think the things in the list are shit, then it might be worth taking notice... otherwise, is it only non-film savy people who should watch your film?
Also, some people can't make good films no matter how hard they try. Talent is needed to some degree, that's why not everyone should make films. It's very annoying when people cannot see they have no talent but keep bashing away at it anyway unable to accept that they are not good at making films. Full-stop.
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Post by Gareth on Nov 4, 2008 5:37:32 GMT
Ryd
what's wrong with being told the fires hot rather than burning yourself?
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Post by shindig on Nov 4, 2008 15:28:29 GMT
I'm now pondering the idea of writing my films down (as a short story or something) before commiting to a script and then adapting the story to a script.
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Post by Gareth on Nov 4, 2008 17:26:02 GMT
I'm now pondering the idea of writing my films down (as a short story or something) before commiting to a script and then adapting the story to a script. Its what Robinson did with Withnail and thats the best written screenplay I've read, it'd get you more familiar with the characters as well. |
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Post by shindig on Nov 4, 2008 17:27:42 GMT
Aye, and you can really set pivotal scenes up and drip them in atmosphere.
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Post by oui3d on Nov 4, 2008 21:25:07 GMT
I think whatever your view of the list is, it's still excellent reading and helpful from either perspective. One of the main things I try to take in to consideration when making something is whether people will think it is shit or not. But surely everyone does that? Well, you wouldn't think so when you see some films (and I see loads at work with all our festivals and what-not). I think there is a rare skill in being able to have total awareness of what people may find shite or boring, and at the same time, not pander to some 'demographic', and not try to pander to what you imagine people want. Is that contradictory? Almost, but I don't think it is, and that's why it is very, very hard to get right. Seeing that many people think the things in the list are shit, then it might be worth taking notice... otherwise, is it only non-film savy people who should watch your film? Also, some people can't make good films no matter how hard they try. Talent is needed to some degree, that's why not everyone should make films. It's very annoying when people cannot see they have no talent but keep bashing away at it anyway unable to accept that they are not good at making films. Full-stop. Yep! See your point. But.. here's the thing... aren't we supposed to be passionate about what we do? "I have a story to tell" "I want to touch people" "I want to be rich and shout at stupid people" "I like twins...." If we aren't then I apologize to those people who aren't really fussed about what ends up on screen and hope their careers in Adult Entertainment go well... I know that occasionally the shot that i "wanted" to go in is completely wrong for the edit. I kick my own arse for making what should have been an invisible picture edit a sound cut because it's easier than going back and shooting it again. I hate not having a full orchestra for my short films. But my mates love being asked! So when i see a short "even the bloody student ones" I put my cynical head away, because some of these guys are 10 and haven't started shaving yet so I forgive them for not having an encyclopedic knowledge of every film ever made (That's for my mates at the pub) The thing that the list ignores is that if we all had the same (fantastic) script and were given the same time to make a film. Would we all simply point the cameras at the actors and let them do their thing? Would we spend more sime with the actors getting them to find the 'truth of their characters'? Would we be busy trying to find perfect frames or would we be throwing away the notion of frames because the screen is dead and so's me gran. Would we light it like a bastard or go available? Would we add any directorial flourishes knowing that 90% of the viewing audience probably won't notice? Or would we, cowering under the fear of doing something that our filmmaking peers might consider hackneyed; blast away doing master, over, over, two's: repeat till you realize we've made some great TV but nothing worth committing to the big screen (Not an insult merely fact). If film is a creative medium then isn't it our use of the tools at our disposal rather than the tools themselves that count towards the finished fillum? Part of what renews my love for film is when someone does something new with what is just some words, a camera, some actors and a mic. That's creativity, That's what filmmaking should be about, not standing around with a list of what can't / shouldn't be done. |
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Post by Dave on Nov 4, 2008 21:56:33 GMT
Part of what renews my love for film is when someone does something new with what is just some words, a camera, some actors and a mic. That's creativity, That's what filmmaking should be about, not standing around with a list of what can't / shouldn't be done. Yes, but nobody is standing around with a list of what can't / shouldn't be done (well not on this site)... they are merely offering it up as something you may like to take into consideration. I totally agree that it's great that people just get out there and do it, but there's also a lot to be said for listening to other people. ie learning. In most instances, you're better off being aware of 'the rules' before you start breaking them. |
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Post by Gareth on Nov 4, 2008 21:57:17 GMT
so you want someone to do "something new with what is just some words, a camera, some actors and a mic."
well then, how do they know what is new without knowing what has been done before?
knowing what you don't want to make is as, or more, important as knowing what you do.
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Post by oui3d on Nov 5, 2008 1:32:39 GMT
so you want someone to do "something new with what is just some words, a camera, some actors and a mic." well then, how do they know what is new without knowing what has been done before? Some of the list is setting down past good / bad practice and some is just film nerds venting and you know how fraught that can be! It would be more interesting / practical to see hint's and tips at the top of the page or a bit of anecdotal gumf that says "I made this for £20 quid!" and shows what you can do. knowing what you don't want to make is as, or more, important as knowing what you do. Wouldn't you say that the stuff you don't want to do is the more easily put aside? Usually you've got it done early enough to focus on what you " do" want. Once i've decided not to make a skin flick i'm usually creatively in the zone! |
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Post by Gareth on Nov 5, 2008 2:22:37 GMT
I think the lists more like one of those nostalgic TV shows with Z list celebrities talking shit than anything useful,
I remember the first time I saw a walk towards camera/ walk away from camera transition I thought it was the dogs bollocks.
I talked about Tarrintino putting a camera in a car boot at my interview to get into film school.
My first and only short film is one of the things on the list and contains four others, the lists just a little bit of fun.
I'd much rather debate the usefulness of screen writing paradigms than this list and thats saying something!!!
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Post by Gareth on Nov 5, 2008 2:25:58 GMT
and as for the hints and tipsstart the thread!
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Post by shindig on Nov 5, 2008 8:14:58 GMT
Whacking licensed music in seems like such a cop-out, to me. I'm not saying not to do it but to at least put some genuine thought before associating a song with a scene.
I've seen plenty of scripts where nothing happens, too.
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Post by Ria on Nov 5, 2008 12:38:45 GMT
I'm now pondering the idea of writing my films down (as a short story or something) before commiting to a script and then adapting the story to a script. I did this with my film, even though it changed loads, it was still helpful. Your welcome to see it if it helps any. |
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Post by oui3d on Nov 5, 2008 14:18:27 GMT
I can see it now...
Goldie Lookin' Chain
"Lens Flare? What's that all about?"
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