Poor Woody! **SPOILERS**

[sleezen]

Hey up! What is it with you and your spoilers?
You've pretty much summed up all the main plot points of TIE86 so far.
Not everyone will be watching them as they are broadcast, some people probably won't see any of it until the DVD is out.
Please try and think about what you are posting and label it spoilerific when needed!

Also, I don't think you really need to start a new thread every time something occurs to you. This post for example would fit perfectly in the spoiler discussion zone thread... which is already protected by the spoiler warning too.

Signed, The Dave

First combo, goes to jail and comes back a vicious racist and takes half Woody's mates away,
Almost gets married to Lol but his mate has heart attack, he buys a flat then Lol and Milky start fucking behind his back

Ah man it makes my fucking heart bleed to see such a nice bloke get fucked over like that!

i mean he is like a proper mate you would really want on your side!!

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[PatrickCoyle]

I think you can look at Woody both ways. He's funny and a good mate in a lot of respects, but when the chips are down, he's a bit of a coward/dickhead as well. He runs away from confrontation with Combo in the film, and he does it in the series with Lol. When the going gets tough, Woody either fucks off or lunges around in tights.

[saffy]

He's a bit of a dick at times, I agree with you there Patrick. Lol is needing someone to lean on at the moment and she doesn't feel she can speak to him - In saying that, sometimes you can tell friends more than you would tell a partner for not wanting to worry them ... he doesn't know why he is irritating the hell out of her at the moment and is possibly trying to make her smile as he used to. That's quite painful to see and for me, has made me hate her a tiddy bit when we all know deep down that Woody is trying to be everything to everyone. Solid at work and the same fun person at home. He gets the relief of acting "daft" at home to relieve the pressure of work ..

I'll wait and see ..

[jill]

Sept 27, 2010 11:12:59 GMT saffy said:

He's a bit of a dick at times, I agree with you there Patrick. Lol is needing someone to lean on at the moment and she doesn't feel she can speak to him - In saying that, sometimes you can tell friends more than you would tell a partner for not wanting to worry them ... he doesn't know why he is irritating the hell out of her at the moment and is possibly trying to make her smile as he used to. That's quite painful to see and for me, has made me hate her a tiddy bit when we all know deep down that Woody is trying to be everything to everyone. Solid at work and the same fun person at home. He gets the relief of acting "daft" at home to relieve the pressure of work ..

I'll wait and see ..

I find this stuff about Lol interesting. He allowed her to get all the way to 'I do' before deciding he didn't remember. He's lucky she's stuck around at all, if you ask me. He wouldn't have seen me for dust after that.

[saffy]

Aye ... well she's making him pay for it now by the way she's treating him.

[kelpie]

How about nobody is totally in the right?

Woody is essentially a little bit spineless, that much is true. He let Milky down a little by not speaking out at that first party, but he did apologise for it. The second time, he walked away as soon as he could. I always thought he could have fought harder for Shaun, but I don't see what he was supposed to do. Combo hadn't been violent, so why would Woody start a fight? He did the right thing in leaving.

In the series, Woody is harder to judge. He was an idiot to let the wedding get that far if he had doubts and he let Lol down badly. He was also being thoughtless and immature when she needed to talk to him. However, that does not give Lol a free card to do whatever she likes to him. It does give her good reason to leave him though, if that's what she wants.

There were already issues in that relationship before the non-wedding and I think Lol had just as many doubts as Woody. I don't read her behaviour as being caused soley by Woody, but by all her inner demons and trust issues. The damage her father has done has meant she never trusted Woody with the truth (for whatever reasons). She feels like she has to contain all her feelings and be strong and independant. She is furious at Woody because he broke her trust and she sees him as weak. She got mad at Milky when he failed to defend her too. Right now, all her pain is coming out, but in the wrong way and she is taking it out on those closest to her.

I don't know if Woody and Lol can be together again, but I do think that as much as I need to hear him acknowledge how much he let her down and make it up to her, I need for Lol to let Woody know the truth. Lol's a very complex character and I don't always like her, but I have always felt that I understood her.

[jill]

I think Woody's been written as 'flawed' (even more so here than in the film) to keep us guessing It could go either way for him.

[kelpie]

Sept 27, 2010 14:27:59 GMT jill said:

I think Woody's been written as 'flawed' (even more so here than in the film) to keep us guessing It could go either way for him.

They're all flawed, that's the point. I don't know what's going to happen with him in the next episode, but I still think he's a nice guy, but a spineless one who badly let Lol down. She might just have outgrown him.

I just think that Lol is far too complex a character to say that she is only giving Woody his just deserts. I do think that it all boils down to trust issues in many ways for her. With Woody, I think she either has to open up to him and forgive him, or leave him. To stay with him and cheat on him and constantly treat him with contempt constitutes a dysfunctional relationship that would damage them both.

Woody's only a part of Lol's story though. There is so much going on with her right now that I don't know if a relationship is even the right thing for her. Although I do think that she really needs to know her friends are there for her and that it is safe for her to open up and to be vulnerable with them.

[jill]

I agree, they're both 'flawed.' It just that in my universe, Lol's definitely got the worst of this 'deal'....and yet we don't have a 'poor Lol' thread

We know that she confided in Milky about her dad before this infidelty and she also made that 'I chose the wrong crisp bringer' remark, so who knows, maybe he's made a bit of habit of needing his Lollypop and not being much cop during the times she's needed him.

I agree with a lot of what you say though.

[kelpie]

Sept 27, 2010 14:46:18 GMT jill said:

I agree, they're both 'flawed.' It just that in my universe, Lol's definitely got the worst of this 'deal'....and yet we don't have a 'poor Lol' thread

We know that she confided in Milky about her dad before this infidelty and she also made that 'I chose the wrong crisp bringer' remark, so who knows, maybe he's made a bit of habit of needing his Lollypop and not being much cop during the times she's needed him.

I agree with a lot of what you say though.

When I saw the title of the "Poor Woody" thread, my first thought was that there should be a "Poor Lol" or "Poor Trev" one.

Lol has absolutely got the most tragic story here. Whether Woody has always let her down in the past, I dunno. That could be why she's never told him. It could also be that she just felt he wouldn't be able to grasp it. He seems to come from a loving family where he is babied a bit. How could he relate to Lol's situation? Or it could be that she didn't want to tell Woody because she was afraid he would see her differently. See her as damaged goods, perhaps? That is honestly a very valid worry for someone with a history of abuse. You don't want "sympathy". It is easier to tell friends than a man you want to be intimate with, I'd actually like to know why she didn't tell Woody. Perhaps we'll find out tomorrow?

I have a history of abuse myself. Not exactly the same as Lol's (mine was a stepfather), but quite a few things I can relate to. I do have a very different personality though, but I try to see all aspects of Lol. I can say that telling a partner about your past isn't always easy.

[Dave]

Sept 27, 2010 14:46:18 GMT jill said:

I agree, they're both 'flawed.' It just that in my universe, Lol's definitely got the worst of this 'deal'....and yet we don't have a 'poor Lol' thread

No, because she's been doing sex! Eurghh! Dirty!

[alfbutton]

Sept 27, 2010 9:33:12 GMT PatrickCoyle said:

Woody either fucks off or lunges around in tights.

yeh, but that lunging is pretty impressive. That stretched fabric encasing Little Woody, Lol's mad to have turned down an intoxicated Woddy... She won't get that chance again.

[kelpie]

Sept 28, 2010 18:10:05 GMT alfbutton said:

Sept 27, 2010 9:33:12 GMT PatrickCoyle said:

Woody either fucks off or lunges around in tights.

yeh, but that lunging is pretty impressive. That stretched fabric encasing Little Woody, Lol's mad to have turned down an intoxicated Woddy... She won't get that chance again.

She'd get the chance every Saturday night at least.

[sleezen]

lol! lets see what happens tonight who knows we might get a happy ending for woody....but knowing shane..

[elena]

Sept 27, 2010 14:37:08 GMT kelpie said:

Sept 27, 2010 14:27:59 GMT jill said:

I think Woody's been written as 'flawed' (even more so here than in the film) to keep us guessing It could go either way for him.

They're all flawed, that's the point. I don't know what's going to happen with him in the next episode, but I still think he's a nice guy, but a spineless one who badly let Lol down. She might just have outgrown him.

I just think that Lol is far too complex a character to say that she is only giving Woody his just deserts. I do think that it all boils down to trust issues in many ways for her. With Woody, I think she either has to open up to him and forgive him, or leave him. To stay with him and cheat on him and constantly treat him with contempt constitutes a dysfunctional relationship that would damage them both.

Woody's only a part of Lol's story though. There is so much going on with her right now that I don't know if a relationship is even the right thing for her. Although I do think that she really needs to know her friends are there for her and that it is safe for her to open up and to be vulnerable with them.

I think you're right, Kelpie

It would be interesting to find out what Lol does, whether she lets Woody in or leaves him.

Woody is a wolly (!) but as an observer (and not being in Lol's position) I felt sad for him.

Forget the wall of porn and give Lol a hug!