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Post by tonyyeboah on Sept 26, 2010 15:25:17 GMT
I think this is right more often than not. So many self indulgent directors out there
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Post by Dave on Sept 26, 2010 16:14:56 GMT
I think this is right more often than not. So many self indulgent directors out there Hmmm... I often feel this way with long films. But it's definitely not always true. |
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Post by Bill Edwards on Sept 26, 2010 16:38:54 GMT
Oooooh controversial.
I think possibly the films that are around, on or over the two hour mark but aren't much cop for many reasons tend to get dissed for being too long amongst other things.
But when they're good, when they're very very good, they can be awesome and stunning.
Sir, I give you:
Once Upon A Time In The West
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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Post by junglistmovement on Sept 26, 2010 17:09:50 GMT
Oooooh controversial. I think possibly the films that are around, on or over the two hour mark but aren't much cop for many reasons tend to get dissed for being too long amongst other things. But when they're good, when they're very very good, they can be awesome and stunning. Sir, I give you: Once Upon A Time In The West
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Good, The Bad And The UglyExactly. 2001 is one of the best films ever made. Period. I don't know if anyone on here is a David Lynch fan, but has anybody seen 'Inland Empire'? My god. It's like a 3 hour mindfuck/trip, whatever you want to call it ;D If you like your films VERY surreal, i suggest you try it. |
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Post by sugarbeat on Sept 26, 2010 17:33:20 GMT
Nonsense. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Some stories take longer to tell than others.
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Post by RichK on Sept 26, 2010 17:59:42 GMT
Quoting good 2hr+ films doesn't necessarily refute the original claim. I'm on the fence - agree with sugarbeat that some stories take longer to tell than others, but most of the worst films I have ever seen have been longer than 2 hours.
THE DARK KNIGHT, for example, was precisely 152 minutes too long ;D ;D
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Post by Companero on Sept 26, 2010 18:03:36 GMT
I think you really cannot make an all encompassing comment about everyfilm and every filmmaker. I agree, there are massively self-indulgent filmmakers out there making long films, but there are also woefully bad filmmakers that make them short!
Some of my favourite films (Apocalypse Now, The Shining, The Good, The Bad and the Ugly) are well over 2hrs.
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Post by tonyyeboah on Sept 26, 2010 21:04:30 GMT
Of course some films deserve to be of length. Take the White Ribbon which is brilliantly told and for a more recent release Baaria which is an epic take on sicilian life.
Then you have got stuff like Transformers (a kids film which is 2 and a half hours long)
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Post by GR on Sept 26, 2010 22:17:58 GMT
I think this is right more often than not. So many self indulgent directors out there I don't have anything against long films in general, but I think it depends on the strength of the material, on how that screen time is spent. For example, I think There Will Be Blood (2 hours, 38 min.) and The Assassination of Jesse James By the Coward Robert Ford (2 hours, 40 min.), to name a couple of my favorites, are just as long as they needed to be. On the other hand, if a comedy runs 2 hours or more, I find it a little ridiculous -- more often than not, it tends to be poorly paced, or gags tend to run on longer than they should (as I thought was certainly the case with There's Something About Mary, for instance).  |
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Post by jill on Sept 26, 2010 22:24:20 GMT
Take it you wont be watching Satantango Yeboah?  The Godfather? |
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Post by Hyde on Sept 27, 2010 0:49:43 GMT
Oooooh controversial. I think possibly the films that are around, on or over the two hour mark but aren't much cop for many reasons tend to get dissed for being too long amongst other things. But when they're good, when they're very very good, they can be awesome and stunning. Sir, I give you: Once Upon A Time In The West
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Good, The Bad And The UglyExactly. 2001 is one of the best films ever made. Period. I don't know if anyone on here is a David Lynch fan, but has anybody seen 'Inland Empire'? My god. It's like a 3 hour mindfuck/trip, whatever you want to call it ;D If you like your films VERY surreal, i suggest you try it. You could proper tell he had fun making that eh? Not classic lynch in the classic movie sense (if you know what I mean) but its a proper lynch fans wet dream. |
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Post by Hyde on Sept 27, 2010 0:50:33 GMT
Anybody spot David Lynch working the bar in the Cleveland show?
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Post by Companero on Sept 27, 2010 8:03:55 GMT
Of course some films deserve to be of length. Take the White Ribbon which is brilliantly told and for a more recent release Baaria which is an epic take on sicilian life. Then you have got stuff like Transformers (a kids film which is 2 and a half hours long) Ah, gotcha. I agree. I wasn't perplexed by the first Transformers, thought it was fun. The second one is fuckign terrible and a great example of what you're saying in your first post! |
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Post by junglistmovement on Sept 27, 2010 13:07:01 GMT
Exactly. 2001 is one of the best films ever made. Period. I don't know if anyone on here is a David Lynch fan, but has anybody seen 'Inland Empire'? My god. It's like a 3 hour mindfuck/trip, whatever you want to call it ;D If you like your films VERY surreal, i suggest you try it. You could proper tell he had fun making that eh? Not classic lynch in the classic movie sense (if you know what I mean) but its a proper lynch fans wet dream. ;D yeah i understand what you mean. I think it might be because it was all shot digitally. I wasn't too sure on the whole digital thing before i saw it, but when i did finally see it, i ate my words. As i said, a total mind screw though lol. My fave Lynch film will always be 'Eraserhead' though. In my eyes, there's NO other film like it, and there never will be. Emotional rollercoaster ;D. |
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Post by Kezz on Sept 27, 2010 14:59:09 GMT
I have deleted my original post that read 'That is fucking ridiculous'.
Strongly disagree, An interesting debate all the same.
A piece of art, is what it is.
You watch an ensemble piece that has been put together accordingly.
-Without wanting to flap around being generic, from a personal perspective, If I were to take all of my favourite films.. Is it just me that feels like they want them to NEVER END..? There is something nice about the tidyness of a piece yes, and its ability to remain precise from start to finish without dwelling, but again thats more circumstancial.. as is this entire argument. So I shall say it again, A piece of art, is what it is.
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