Gonga
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Post by Gonga on Jul 31, 2006 9:47:49 GMT
Caught this last night and was quite surprised that it was the first time I had ever even heard of it, given the fact it has nearly every British actor of modern times in it. Also quite surprised at how sloppy it was. The editing was bizarre to say the least, fading to black every 20 odds seconds within a scene only to skip to a different conversation in same scene. Not sure what they were trying to do but it had me baffled. The story itself was pretty standard gangland guff, with Sean Pertwee's hoods facing up to Ray Winstone's goons. The film interestingly used all the actors first names as their names within the film, anothere reason it completely threw me. It all kind of struck me as incredibly poor, there was an interesting scene where two gang members are tied up and force fed dog food and Lsd, which almost was quite similar to Shane's work in coupling the dark stuff with humour. Anyone else seen this, am I the only one who thought it was a load of jobbies. I did notice that one of the directors was acting in the film and I've seen before in various small parts. Maybe the cast were all doing him a favour by turning up.
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Post by Companero on Jul 31, 2006 10:26:21 GMT
Dominic Anciano and Ray Burdis made Love, Honour & Obey a year or two after Final Cut, both films were completely slaughtered by the critics.
for what it's worth, I like both, particularly Love, Honour & Obey - yes, it's a vanity project and I can see how it might irritate some people but I think it's far and away better than most of the British gangster flicks that came out on the back of Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels and I think it's really funny. Maybe I've got a terrible sense of humour...
Both Burdis and Anicano appear in the film (as Ray and Dominic, respectively) and both appeared in Final cut.
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The reason why the actors' real names were used in both Love, Honour & Obey and Final Cut is because both films were improvised for the most part and using proper names makes it easier for the actors to ad lib.
Final Cut features most of the main players, incidentally, with only Kathy Burke, Denise Van Outten and Sean Pertwee abscent. The film is set during Jude Law's funeral, where a gathering of friends are made to watch a film that he had made - a film that exposes almost every person in the room for what they really are. It works to a point but I found the ending a little unbelievable.
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Post by Gonga on Jul 31, 2006 13:22:11 GMT
I salute your knowledge Companero. For what its worth, there were a number of scenes I enjoyed I just didn't think it came together at all well. The editing being the most blatent problem for me.
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Post by DeLarge on Jul 31, 2006 13:44:57 GMT
as said above Final Cut and LHAO were slated by the critics and it's not hard to see why . the Best thing Ray Burdis and Dominic Anciano have done is Operation Good Guys bit cheesy but has it's moments. I remember reading that they were supposed to be making a new Krays film (think they produced the original one ;D) with Ray Winstone playing both twins with a bit of cgi and Bob Hoskins as the copper that brought them down, Nipper Read(?) all seems quiet now though.
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Post by Companero on Jul 31, 2006 14:16:01 GMT
They definitely produced the 1990 film - two Ray Winstones? That would be worth watching but I would cast Bob Hoskins as the Krays' mother Going back to Love, Honour & Obey and Final Cut - the filmmaking is very amateur-like, but I can't say it really bothered me.
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Post by Davros on Jul 31, 2006 14:36:40 GMT
Love Honour and Obey is one of my favourite films, I think the whole point of it is how amateur it is. Its an enjoyable film to watch and it looks as though it was an enjoyable film to make, not overly stylised simple and honest. The range of actors and how they work together is excellent, from the Ray Winstone & Kathy Burke down to Denise Van Outen, the part with the Banana being a personal highlight. Its not pretending to be the best gangster film of all time, from LSD, Dildos, blow up dolls and shot guns and a plot stemming from the theft of a fruit machine and one crazy gits obsession with war, what more could you ask for, excellent film.
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Post by marksherbert on Jul 31, 2006 15:13:58 GMT
I really like that film too. It was obviously not really that much more than a load of mates having a laugh, but I like the way that it comes across.
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Post by flashpointharry on Aug 1, 2006 17:24:57 GMT
I always thought Love, Honour & Obey was a spoof version of the gangland thriller spin-off from The Fast Show called A Right Royal Cockney Barrel Of Monkeys
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