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Post by anonlytwin on May 19, 2007 20:03:46 GMT
your a star jill- great post. i disagree with you on 24/7 as best film (not that i don't adore it all the same) but agree with you on your point about it being a political fim- funnily enough i just read/wrote this today:
"Paul Dave argues that TwentyFourSeven is more than just a reconfirmation of ‘that’ emblem of male working-class self-help; it is also an un-patronising celebration of the 'protective, reciprocal and collective aspects of working-class life.' He sites the following two scenes, as a justification for this assertion: 'Darcy washes, feeds and puts to bed one of his elective sons and this is echoed by Tim’s actions as he gently assists the destitute and dying Darcy.' In this way, Dave argues, 'an ethic of abiding working class tenderness and mutuality,' ... i'd say this was, as you argue, a good example of personal politics... puts me in mind of 'nil by mouth' as well, often criticised for being 'apolitical' yet, in my mind, this assertion could not be further from the truth
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Post by jill on May 19, 2007 20:39:08 GMT
Ta very much anonytwin. I'm always worried that long posts will put people to sleep (not that that anxiety actually stops me ;D)
Yes, the working class reciprocity ethos runs through Shane's film's doesn't it. I suppose it's there in OUTM too-thinking of the Carol and hoard scene on the bed (bit more obscure, but hope you get what I mean).
On the personal politics thing, the reason I mentioned the gay relationship is that even in the 1990s, that was kind of a brave thing to do (race, class and sexuality-bloody hell could be Taste of Honey). But what I think is great about the way Shane handles it is the natural, understated, integration of this sub-plot into the story. Other directors would go for the 'beat you over the head with the politics' strategy (thinking Loach-no disrespect-love him-but know what I mean?)
I really like Nil by Mouth too and I see what you mean. That's semi-autobiographical I think?
Actually, I almost put Gary Oldman on the Doozie's thread-maybe I should do it now ;D
I'll stop-think I'm becoming a bit incoherent!
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Post by anonlytwin on May 19, 2007 20:55:29 GMT
sub-plots, as opposed to main plot, as political- you are very much on to something there jill
spot on with OUTM- fantastic reference point- i would certainly agree
loach- love him- 'beat you over the head with the politics' i would certainly agree
if your incoherent then i definitely am- i'm coming back to this post tommorrow- the whole sub-plot thing is well worth further interegation... before i go, i simply cannot associate with 'taste of honey' and yes 'nil by mouth' is partially autobiographical..
sad that wine has affected my ability to respond cpherently to your comments- they are worth so much more
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Post by jill on May 19, 2007 21:02:00 GMT
The Taste of Honey thing was just a reference to race, class and sexuality in one film-and one that was made in 1960 too! I'm going to stop too-this website is professional death for me-had to work all day to day, because I f*cked around (I think the polite word is procrastination ;D) all day yesterday and I'm still posting on here today! Post your politics/sub-plot thoughts when you've sobered up; D
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Post by carolyn on May 31, 2007 10:10:15 GMT
SPOILERS!!!!! The performances were all great, but I especially liked Toby Kebbell. The performance of Toby Kebbell struck me as well. I wonder if he gets less attention because he played the "passive" person. Shane mentions in his documentary that the subtlety with which Toby acted was perfect and perhaps if he had not been so subtle the other actors could not have portrayed the story as well as it was portrayed. Carolyn x |
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Post by jill on May 31, 2007 19:46:14 GMT
Know what you mean Carolyn. Toby Kebbell does get kudos from people who have seen the film, but IMHO he deserved an award.
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Post by fatself on May 31, 2007 21:38:39 GMT
Finally saw the film at the weekend...amazing performances, locations, cinematography and all that garb.
But, I still place DMS on a pedestal...being my best film ever.
Hold a beacon to that little film.
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Post by salvador on Jun 2, 2007 0:38:50 GMT
Yeah for me the best is between Romeo Brass and Dead Man's Shoes
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Post by DeLarge on Jun 2, 2007 13:25:05 GMT
Its too tough to call for me.
I think like Ken Loach, Alan Clarke and Mike Leigh each film on it's on has its own merits and reasons for being a great film.
I always thought Romeo Brass was my favourite then Dead Mans Shoes blew me away. This is England again top dollar. I couldn't pick a favourite. There's stand out parts in each film too,
I love how each film has genuinely hilarious parts and then something that hits you hard. They are proper 'slice of life films' each with their own story to tell.
I couldn't pick a winner.
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