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Post by elliot on Jul 19, 2007 11:31:32 GMT
One thing I love is the way that Shane's films don't glorify violence even though it is central to the films. I love the way that a lot of it is left to the imagination or even our own experiences by pulling the camera away, not showing the act or the aftermath etc. I get a shudder every time I think about the violence I have witnessed in my life and the way Shane deal's with violence taps into that rather than simply revelling in putting these acts on screen. Keep it up Shane!
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Post by RydCook on Jul 19, 2007 13:01:34 GMT
Violence in shane's films is horrible, blunt, and real. Very shocking indeed. It's so very affecting, cos you can see why its happening, and you can see that it could happen in real life, you may have even seen it happen.
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Post by chanel on Jul 19, 2007 17:49:43 GMT
*SPOILERS*
violence to milky realy made me cry! also wen pukey (jak okonal) gets head butted by combo the sound goes threw me big time!! does any 1 else memba that awful real sound, it made me feel the pain!
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Post by anonlytwin on Jul 19, 2007 18:57:45 GMT
RFRB *SPOILER*
the moment in RFRB when romeo's dad belts morell is never given the opportunity to be heroic or triumphant and, for me, its all because of the sickened look of Ladene's face as she turns away from what she's seen her father do.... likewise the violence in DMS should be cathartic and something to relish because those guys deserve it, yet thanks to paddy and shane i am left almost as sickened by the revenge as by the original crime...
although shane always namechecks scorcese as an influence (and although i adore scorcese myself) i feel that they approach violence in a different way from one another- shane would rarely even dream of setting violence to the emphatic and epic music that scorcese routinely sets his violence to (e.g. layla in goodfellas) and this is because scorcese is all to willing to glorify it.... do you reckon this might be biographical? shane witnessed a lot of violence growing up, thus being totally turned off by it in later life; where as scorcese spent his chilhood locked up inside, suffering from severe asthma and probably didn't witness too much firsthand?? just a thought
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Post by PatrickCoyle on Jul 19, 2007 22:29:10 GMT
That headbutt was very realistic (I thought he actually nutted him?). It reminds me of a video of me that's on the Internet.
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Post by elliot on Jul 20, 2007 9:49:56 GMT
Good point 'anonlytwin'. Shane is well documented regarding the violence he saw and he is well aware of the reality and consequences of it unlike Scorcese who was more of an onlooker on the gang culture and violence (though at least he came from that world and it wasn't just comic book violence in an attempt to be cool like some directors). I find the violence in Shane's films hard to watch because it feels so authentic and to me there's no better compliment. I'm no moraliser when it comes to violence but it really saddens me when films glorifying sadistic violence like Hostel are so popular. Maybe it's the times, when images of people being beheaded in the middle east are being bluetoothed around for entertainment are we becoming de-sensitised to violence?
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Post by anonlytwin on Jul 20, 2007 14:39:10 GMT
i guess, but then again whole villages used to watch as people had their hand cut off for stealing turnips
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Post by Hyde on Jul 21, 2007 2:01:04 GMT
Scorsese's Mean Streets is based on what he experianced first hand. The scene in goodfellas has the violence mixed with the music because thats what song happened to be on the jukebox and it worked in my opinion because it was ironic and worked well as a contrast.
Hostel in my opinion doesnt glorify violence, its a horror film yknow? with you on the beheading video thing though. Eli Roth showed his disgust for it aswell in an interview i saw, and he made hostel!
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Post by anonlytwin on Jul 23, 2007 21:28:15 GMT
Scorsese's Mean Streets is based on what he experianced first hand. The scene in goodfellas has the violence mixed with the music because thats what song happened to be on the jukebox and it worked in my opinion because it was ironic and worked well as a contrast. 'first hand' is tenuous... was he a hoodlum? was he friends with many hoodlums? in the recent scorcese interview in 'rolling stone' he talks of the backlash he felt from his old neighbourhood after the release of 'mean streets' because he had depicted lives that were far removed from his own... sure he walked the same streets as the johnny boys but he was walking in another direction... that said, i adore mean streets (but i don't come from his old neighbourhood) and i really really adore scorcese's use of music, particularly his use of music to accompany violence (ironic however??)...all this doesn't mean that his approach or view of violence is similar to that of meadows |
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Post by Hyde on Jul 23, 2007 21:36:04 GMT
yeah its not ironic is it, i guess it would be if it was a song about how violence is wrong haha
and scorsese did walk the streets though i guess thats my point, even if your not directly involved in some way, you are involved, you hear about it, sometimes see it, i think its the same for everyone.
and i agree they do aproach violence differentl
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Post by anonlytwin on Jul 23, 2007 21:47:15 GMT
and scorsese did walk the streets though i guess thats my point, even if your not directly involved in some way, you are involved, you hear about it, sometimes see it, i think its the same for everyone. this one really got me thinking... and i guess agree with you |
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