Dream

[jtrodreigez]

no nor can i run much either

[large michael]

well, at least yours are realistic then, JT.

[jtrodreigez]

Large Michael makes baby jesus cry.

[RydCook]

I've had those falling over things. Bloody horrible they are.

I've been shot in a dream before. This guy who used to be my best friend pulled out a shotgun and shot me with it. I felt it and everything, it was bloody horrible. Anyone else been shot in a dream?

[shindig]

No. Nobody's armed in my dreams.

[jill]

Only just noticed this thread........

Not sure if this counts as a 'lucid' dream, but have any of you ever had a sleep walking experience? Only happened to me once when I was about twelve. Was having a dream in which I urgently needed to write a letter to a friend, so went downstairs, took out writing paper, pen, envelopes etc. The next day, all this stuff was at the side of my bed-very strange.

It would be interesting to read some of the dream interpretation books. I dream about boats constantly-ferries, ships, but most often being in a rowing boat at sea. Not frightening at all-calm sea. At least a couple of times a year, I have flying dreams. Ever had one? They're absolutely brilliant!!!!! ;D

[Bill Edwards]

Apr 29, 2008 11:01:05 GMT jill said:

At least a couple of times a year, I have flying dreams. Ever had one? They're absolutely brilliant!!!!! ;D

Loads! I feel spoilt actually. It sounds like you've had flying dreams that weren't lucid dreams, Jill. Is that right? I most often fly during lucid dreams. It always used to be my first act when a dream became lucid. I now try and do other stuff, like testing the dream's construct, demanding alterations to my environment, trying to 'communicate' with my outer self. So cool. It's often so hard to resist the urge to go flying though.

I've had some stunning flights.

Oops! I'm sounding smug. Yack. Sorry.

[jill]

Wow! I've just got to try to get into this lucid dream malarky-it sounds brilliant!!!! I do very occasionally get insomnia, so that's a start. Will try the 'questioning whether I'm dreaming when I'm awake' technique Chromebaby. Do have one relevant experience to draw upon....one time after visiting a coffee shop in Amsterdam, but that's another story

Don't know if you've experienced this, but the weird thing about flying dreams for me is I actually FEEL like I'm flying. Don't recall ever feeling in regular dreams. Never do anything exciting though-just flying round a boring old lounge, looking down at stuff.

[RydCook]

I've had a flying dream. It was an experiance i can tell you. I know i felt it... whether it was lucid or not I don't really know. I know I felt like I was making decisions, but I didn't know i was in a dream. It felt real. I was jumping off this massive cliff with a friend, which was stupid cos there was no way to get back up. So i jumped anyway, and before hitting the water, began to fly. I then flew far away to this island, which had no beach or anything, it was pretty much just like floating flat land in the middle of the sea, with a swimming pool, and a bar! Then I decided i didn't like it there (saw some gitty old school friends) so i flew all the way back to the cliff i jumped off earlier, and then flew around the coastal city. I remember losing control at one point and nearly hitting a building. It was a hard task flying! Great dream, up there with the best i've ever had.

[Dave]

Apr 29, 2008 11:01:05 GMT jill said:

Only just noticed this thread........

Not sure if this counts as a 'lucid' dream, but have any of you ever had a sleep walking experience? Only happened to me once when I was about twelve. Was having a dream in which I urgently needed to write a letter to a friend, so went downstairs, took out writing paper, pen, envelopes etc. The next day, all this stuff was at the side of my bed-very strange.

I have slept walk a few times in the past. I have a much greater appreciation of the capabilities of my subconscious mind because of it I feel.
There's nothing more odd than being told the next day that you were walking around in the night, and you having zero knowledge of it. For those who have never slept walk, really think about what that must be like to be told that. It's so odd, because what makes you feel like YOU (your self-awareness) is your conscious self, so finding out that your body can be controlled without YOU being involved is spooky as hell.

I've mentioned it before, but I'm almost certain that when I write stuff like my jovial comedy scripts, some of the stuff is created by my subconscious mind, because when it happens, I will type a line and only notice why it is funny after it has emerged. It genuinely feels as though I didn't have a hand in thinking of it... much in the same way that you have no conscious connection with sleep walking.

[jill]

Apr 29, 2008 22:39:31 GMT Dave said:

I have a much greater appreciation of the capabilities of my subconscious mind because of it I feel.

Completely agree.

Don't recall where now, but I once read that the average person spends about 5 or 6 years dreaming. Dreams are pretty cool anyway, but If we were able to 'control' or 'direct' our dreams in someway, we could truly enjoy a whole 5 years of life in a dimension where we could transcend everyday restrictions and constraints......amazing.


The sub-conscious mind is fascinating. Something I'd like to read up on, but never seem to have the time. Read a bit of Freud, but that's about it. Never done hard hallucinogenic drugs either-had kids when I was young and so it would have been pretty irresponsible, but I do get why people are tempted to go there..........the danger is that the conscious/sub-conscious reality/fantasy boundary might be permanently broken down, which I suppose is pretty much the dictionary definition of psychosis.

I'm about 80% rationalist, but I like to leave a bit of space to imagine other possibilities too...............spooky is good

[jill]

Going off on a bit of a tangent here, except it's related to the boundaries of consciousness stuff.....

A couple of weeks back my son spotted a mouse, so I went out and bought a few of these electronic contraptions that you plug into your electric sockets. Apparently they omit an extremely high frequency squealing noise-so high that even dogs and cats can't hear it, but apparently rodents can. They find it very distressing and so they leave for more congenial climes. For the last week or so, it's just struck me how odd it is that several rooms in my house are now permanently filled with 'rodent torture' screams and I am just pottering about completely oblivious.

So, if our consciousness of things aural is limited by biological restrictions like this; isn't it possible that the same applies to other-maybe visual phenomenon. You know like the old 'myth' (or is it?!) that dogs can see ghosts. Ha, ha! I'm a complete idiot when it comes to science, so I guess I'm easily a sap for this kind of stuff, but, well,why not? Science and rationalism has made us overly arrogant about 'knowing' I think....I mean it IS possible......

OK, I'll go now................

[jill]

Apr 29, 2008 22:39:31 GMT Dave said:

I've mentioned it before, but I'm almost certain that when I write stuff like my jovial comedy scripts, some of the stuff is created by my subconscious mind, because when it happens, I will type a line and only notice why it is funny after it has emerged. It genuinely feels as though I didn't have a hand in thinking of it... much in the same way that you have no conscious connection with sleep walking.

I wonder though if comedy works at the sub-conscious level? I mean there's nothing more grim and ultimately pointless than trying to rationally dissect what makes a good gag-oral or visual-and people who like very literal stuff are often a bit unimaginative and have a bit of a crap sense of humour don't they? I suppose some would say it's a social/cultural thing, but comedy's sort of 'magical' really isn't it....it just taps into something that is working at a (semi) subconscious level...and it's shared, which makes it even more interesting.

Dunno, maybe it's just me. I tend to like more absurd stuff anyway-Eddie Izzard, or Paul Merton at his very best. And
maybe I'm not explaining this very well, but see what I mean?

[Dave]

Apr 30, 2008 8:55:17 GMT jill said:

Apr 29, 2008 22:39:31 GMT Dave said:

I've mentioned it before, but I'm almost certain that when I write stuff like my jovial comedy scripts, some of the stuff is created by my subconscious mind, because when it happens, I will type a line and only notice why it is funny after it has emerged. It genuinely feels as though I didn't have a hand in thinking of it... much in the same way that you have no conscious connection with sleep walking.

I wonder though if comedy works at the sub-conscious level? I mean there's nothing more grim and ultimately pointless than trying to rationally dissect what makes a good gag-oral or visual-and people who like very literal stuff are often a bit unimaginative and have a bit of a crap sense of humour don't they? I suppose some would say it's a social/cultural thing, but comedy's sort of 'magical' really isn't it....it just taps into something that is working at a (semi) subconscious level...and it's shared, which makes it even more interesting.

Dunno, maybe it's just me. I tend to like more absurd stuff anyway-Eddie Izzard, or Paul Merton at his very best. And
maybe I'm not explaining this very well, but see what I mean?

I know what you mean.... but bizarrely, I like over-analysing comedy sometimes! I think it is what makes it both enjoyable and of interest to me. I don't do it all the time... I'm not mad, but then it also doesn't ruin it for me either... sometimes it can make something even funnier for me. Especially with more bizarre humour, because there isn't always an obvious reason as to why you just laughed at something.

I also tend to fly in the face of the old maxim of "You shouldn't laugh at your own jokes". Rubbish! Ha ha... if you're not even making yourself laugh with your own creations, then what on earth are you doing? Solely creating stuff you think other people will like will probably lead to lameness in my opinion!

Keeping off topic... ... with regards to sonic mouse torture, I have always been of the mindset that we can only experience the world through the limited sensory devices of the human body so there are defintely things we don't experience. We can't even naturally work out where north is like a pigeon... or see ultra-violet light like, errr pigeons as well!

[jill]

Apr 30, 2008 10:11:35 GMT Dave said:

We can't even naturally work out where north is like a pigeon... or see ultra-violet light like, errr pigeons as well!

Blimey, these vermin are pretty amazing really! The time thing's fascinating too.....like how flies have a totally different experience of time...which is why you can't swat the buggers...you may think you're lightening quick with that newspaper, but actually you're very, very, very slow. Mindbending. Anyway, suppose this is all getting way off topic now.