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Post by marksherbert on Apr 23, 2006 16:08:50 GMT
I can never warm to his films at all, they're just so damn flashy, for want of a better word. He to me is kind of the archetypal brainless Hollywood hack.
Maybe I'm just being a snob?
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Post by bobmil on Apr 23, 2006 20:10:27 GMT
your spot on mate, for me anyway although I do love True Romance
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Post by Companero on Apr 24, 2006 15:37:41 GMT
I can never warm to his films at all, they're just so damn flashy, for want of a better word. He to me is kind of the archetypal brainless Hollywood hack. Maybe I'm just being a snob? Yes you are  There's a complete lack of pretentiousness about Tony Scott's films and yes, he's made some cack (The Fan being the pinnacle of his under achieving, IMO) but he's made some thoroughly entertaining films, too - Last Boy Scout, Revenge, True Romance and Man On Fire were all good, IMO. |
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Post by bobmil on Apr 24, 2006 16:10:29 GMT
i forgot last boy scout... which is a very well made film
Can u give me a synopsis for Revenge?
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Post by quixote on Apr 24, 2006 16:19:18 GMT
just to stick my nose in if no one minds yes some of his films are dross but others are very good it's strange how some directors can be capable of great films and excrement at the same time he reminds me of micheal winterbottom in that respect. anyway one good scott movie not mentioned yet is enemy of the state i thinks it stands up very well to it's prequel (coppolas The conversation)
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Post by Companero on Apr 24, 2006 16:22:53 GMT
i forgot last boy scout... which is a very well made film Can u give me a synopsis for Revenge? Revenge features Kevin Costner (make of that what you will, but bear in mind this was made a couple of years before he became a superstar) as a retired US Navy pilot that visits a close friend down in Mexico (Anthony Quinn), who also happens to be the local crime boss. What begins as a stress-free, leisurely break at his buddy’s sprawling estate turns sinister when a relationship between Costner’s character and Quinn’s young wife (Madeleine Stow) begins to blossom. It certainly skirts on “seen-it-all-before” territory but is generally well acted and beautifully shot. The film’s quite brutal and pulls few punches. It’s certainly not a classic and even Scott has spoken out about his disliking for it (this is due to the film’s producer, Ray Stark taking the film out of the director’s hands and drastically re-cutting it) but it’s definitely worth a watch. |
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Post by bobmil on Apr 24, 2006 17:40:52 GMT
I think of that type of Filmmaker tho I much prefer someone like Michael Mann who never seems that wide of the mark.
Yeah, and your right Enemy Of The State is really good, infact its excellent, though because of the way I feel about Scott these films become something of a guilty pleasure.... it is my snobbishness that keeps me from saying so but I would rather push/propogate different ideas/modes of filmmaking. (well thats my excusefor my own snobbery)
Winterbottom my be hit or miss but without the money and backing of Scott he is prolific, inventive and makes varied, quality, personal and mostly very worthy films. Hopefully Quixote/Companero you have seen Code 46. ..
I think thats why i'll always love/push the likes of Winterbottom and that fat lad from the midlands whose name I can never remember, cos they can tell a story as well as anyone but its always a story thats acutally worth telling
N.B apologies for long extenisive obvious explanation
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Post by quixote on Apr 24, 2006 18:22:09 GMT
don't get me wrong i prefer winterbottom to scott 24 hour part people is amazing and i think huge budgets are ruining movies in fact jaws put the first nail in hollywoods coffin by leading to summer blockbusters and the mega movie culture that prevails now, i think most people who post here would have a love of independant movies because you get to see a different point of view and here stories you otherwise wouldn't but there are a lot of terrible independant films and good hollywood type movies i think the thing to be is eclectic and just find good movies whereever you can then spread the good news about them.
i've not seen code 46 yet i take it it's good then?
and before the storm starts i LOVE jaws it's one of my all time favourite films and it's my ambition one day to own a narrowboat called the orca so i can travel down the canals of britain disturbing rods and shouting at anglers that they're not real fishermen and that they should try sharkin' for a livin then make my getwaway at a speedy 4 mph whilst gently singing a sea shanty
farewell and adiue to you fair spanish ladies
fair well and adieu to you ladies of spain
for we've recieved orders for to sail back to portsmouth
and ne'er will we see you sweet ladies again
mr hooper thats the uss indianapolis
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Post by bobmil on Apr 24, 2006 18:51:13 GMT
Code 46 is superb, but maybe may enjoyment owed much to the mate I watched it with who knew the ins and outs of genetics ...
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Post by RichK on Apr 24, 2006 20:57:56 GMT
The other week I did actually work with the lovely Chantelle, on the promo for her new show on E4, "dream dates." In my opinion she's better looking in person than in the many, many pics.. unusually! And the papparazzi around her were unbelievable, loads of them! It was most surreal.. not quite the most creatively exciting project I've ever done, but nearly!
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Post by Companero on Apr 25, 2006 8:09:12 GMT
Enemy Of The State is a shamelessly enjoyable film -it's obviously not a classic but it's great fun, nonetheless. It plays like a dopey sequel to Coppola's The Conversation - Hackman literally plays the same character! I do like what I've seen of Winterbottom's films - Code 46 was very good. I also loved 24 Hour Party People. Not seen many more of his films, with the exception of Welcome to Sarajevo and I Want You - neither of which I enjoyed very much but they do go to show just how varied a filmmaker he is  |
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Post by marksherbert on Apr 25, 2006 10:06:45 GMT
That new documentary he has made looks very provocative and close to the knuckle.
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Post by Companero on Apr 25, 2006 11:08:33 GMT
That new documentary he has made looks very provocative and close to the knuckle. I've not seen it yet, but it's definitely on my list. |
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Post by quixote on Apr 25, 2006 11:42:29 GMT
am i missing something companero? enemy of the state is the sequal to the conversation so gene hackman IS the same character so why shouldn't he play him as the same character.
I don't think it's dopey compared to the original which was a bit slow in places (but then apart from the godfather and apocolypse now aside i don't rate coppopla at all) it's just a slightly different genre more action driven than it's prequel
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Post by Companero on Apr 25, 2006 12:25:06 GMT
Enemy Of The State most definitely isn't a sequel to The Conversation - it's thematiacally similar and Hackman plays characters that are pretty much the same, but it's definitly not an official follow-up.
The Conversation is a seriously good film - one of the best of the 70s, without a doubt and its pacing, while slow, builds tension through Hackman's paranoia.
Enemy Of The State is a fine thriller but it's not in the same league. Granted, next to many other Jerry Bruckheimer-produced films (say Gone In Sixty Seconds, for example) it's a classic ;D
The Conversation was a film of its time and it's only in the last five years we can really appreciate the climate in which the film (and countless other conspiracy thrillers that were made in the seventies - All The President's Men, Three Days Of The Condor, The Parallax View, Klute, to name but a few) were made. Like the 70s, we're living in a time when the world is not a very stable place and that we're completely disillusioned with our governments and it is for this reason, the political thriller is making a comeback at the moment, with films such as The Assassination Of Richard Nixon and Munich.
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