Ways you would 'improve' TIE *SPOILERS*

[tonyyeboah]

This is bound to be a contentious subject but how do you think you could improve TIE?

I have watched it twice now and there only a couple of points that I think could have/shouldn't have been done.

First of all, I would have liked to have seen a slightly more involved process of Shaun joining the gang. To me it came too quickly. One minute he bumps into them in the underpass and then you get Gadget at his window (how does he know where he lives?) and Shaun remembers his and Woody's names (unlikely) and agrees to go with them.

Secondly I would have liked to see some more of the dark side of Woody (He clearly has the potential for violence) and the story that Combo saved him from prison, is difficult to grasp (he seems so laid back).

Then there's that walking away from the wall scene. It comes as pretty much the only contrived shot of the whole film and I thought that it took away from the naturalistic feel of the movie. (Looks like Shane lined up all the actors against the wall and said 'right just walk towards the camera when i say). Considering the skilled direction I thought that was a bit slack.

Actually on second viewing I think that Perry Benson's character is pretty much spot on (didn't think this first time round). He doesn't say too much but is always hanging around (with kids much younger) and this is suitably unnerving.

Lastly I was slightly confused by the need for a seaside setting? Maybe Its because I came from a council estate in Northampton (nowhere near the coast) but I just found it slightly odd. You have this clearly inner city estate and then Shaun is at the seaside. Was the seaside setting included just for the ending? Why couldn't it have been set entirely in Nottingham?

That said, I am just being really picky and the film still holds up excellently. Nothing wrong with a bit of debate though huh?!

[RydCook]

"First of all, I would have liked to have seen a slightly more involved process of Shaun joining the gang. To me it came too quickly. One minute he bumps into them in the underpass and then you get Gadget at his window (how does he know where he lives?) and Shaun remembers his and Woody's names (unlikely) and agrees to go with them."

I think this is a deleted scene thing, i think there was originally a Disco scene before this. I think possibly shane decided that the hunting scene was enough to show shaun's inclusion into the gang. I personally think it is enough, but i can see what you mean.

"Secondly I would have liked to see some more of the dark side of Woody (He clearly has the potential for violence) and the story that Combo saved him from prison, is difficult to grasp (he seems so laid back)."

I think Woody is laid back, nice and a great guy, because of his dark past. By this i mean he did something bad and regrets it a lot. I like how this was left out, gives you something to think, and wonder about. Plus the film isn't about violent, trouble making skin heads, its about the coming of racist skinheads and a boy's role models as he becomes a man.

"Then there's that walking away from the wall scene. It comes as pretty much the only contrived shot of the whole film and I thought that it took away from the naturalistic feel of the movie. (Looks like Shane lined up all the actors against the wall and said 'right just walk towards the camera when i say). Considering the skilled direction I thought that was a bit slack."

I really love this bit, nice and artistic, this whole scene with the music is very artistic, so i can forgive this shot. I think it shows the new group really well, i dunno.. i liked it!

I can see your point on most of these things, but i do dissagree. Not cos i feel like i can't dislike any part of shane's films, just because it is my honest opinion. Hasn't this all been discussed before in the "Critisms of TIE" thread?

[PatrickCoyle]

Haha, Tony with another of those criticisms threads!

Aren't you contradicting yourself here: "Woody (He clearly has the potential for violence) and the story that Combo saved him from prison, is difficult to grasp (he seems so laid back)."

If you see the potential for violence in Woody, why is it so hard to grasp that Combo saved him from prison?

I kind of agree on the Gadge knowing where he lives thing, but kids generally tend to know where each other live, or can find out, at least when I was growing up that was the case.

I personally would rather have seen Shaun with the gang again at the end, but I can see why that ending wasn't used.

[tonyyeboah]

Sorry RyD i couldn't be arsed to drag up the criticism thread! Don't get me wrong I love the film! The criticisms I have come up with are probably more to do with wanting to explore the characters more!

[RydCook]

Ha ha its cool mate. I'll have a little think and see if i can think of anything that i think would improve TIE. its very hard for me though! I love it!

[Hyde]

have like, woody get a dog, and like, it eats one of the gang and escapes and then like, that sets up the hunting scene

[GADGE!]

ASLONG AS IT DOESNT EAT GADGE THEN IM KOOL WITH THAT
GADGE!

[chipsteak]

I would have the original Smiths recording of "Please Please Please let me Get What I Want" any day of the week, but i understand that one of their former members is a bit hard to get permission from...

[pointblank]

the beach scene i thought, with shaun and his catapult perfectly summed up the boys loneliness,where better to escape the bullying and the heartache,also it was vital in the end scene.the inner city scenes could easily have been shot in grimsby,estates like that exist less than a mile from where tomo lives. i do however take your point on the woody thing..

[tonyyeboah]

Thinking about it I would add that scene where the gang are misspelling National front and other slogans in their graffiti. It didn't need such an obvious indication of their lack of schooling. Their naive grasp of politics and the world around them was enough to get this across. Bit stupid that bit

[large michael]

do you also think Citizen cane would be better if they explained the meaning of rosebud too? Maybe if we could read the mona lisa's smile? artistic vision tends to be singular, i've noticed, he probably made it to tell a story, to express himself.i might be wrong.

[RydCook]

Now having seen the deleted scenes... i think the last scene with tommo walking on his own.. around town.. should have been included. Beautiful photography, and a good parallel with his lonely bit earlier in the film.

[wheatabeat]

I've mentioned somewhere before, one of the things that slightly irked me was the accents different too much between characters. I counted something like 5 or 6 different accents, which for a group of people and associates in what seems to be a small towns estate seems a little implausable.

Also, at about 6 and a half minutes in, when Sean is walking into school just before the fight you see Lol and her friends loitering around in the playground. Why is this? Since Lol is supposed to be around 19-20 (as we find out later in the film) and has a job. Did anyone else notice this?

[Kezz]

lol (laugh out loud) its not lol (the character)

its Chanel (kelly)

[wheatabeat]

Ahh, cheers for clearing that up Kezz. They do look alike, don't they? Or am I just David Blunkett?