zozo
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Post by zozo on May 9, 2007 4:16:30 GMT
cant do the quote thing but what oldham said about maggie stopping the NF-can he/you please expand?
I was a teenager during this time and had moved away from S yorks but had missives from my mate about the deprivation of the miners there. Also my dad was a victim of unemployment then and never worked again. Thatcher for me summed up a selfish out for yourself attitude which is only just being overcome. Yeah she was inspiring to the strong but the weak were flotsam, blown away to misery. She promoted materialism and status above human sentiment and created a two tier society as in Victoria's reign. My happiest political day was seeing her leave Downing St after the debacle of the mad rising interest rates(best bit of telly ever). She has a lot to answer for. not least the Falklands which was a cynical explotation of jingoism to secure the next election-yeah Sun readers rule. I feel sorry for Dennis.....
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Post by large michael on May 9, 2007 9:01:23 GMT
Dont pity Dennis, he is at peace now.The NF scum still exist especially in places like Oldham (funnily enough), in fact , they still have race riots there on occasion, lovely place. Anybody with any political knowledge whatsoever knows that woman was bad for this country, she was (and still is) a hero to people who earn a lot due to her belief we should be taxed (and poll taxed) equally, which is just bizarre, and to people who thought the movie Wall Street was a documentary.
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Post by anonlytwin on May 9, 2007 19:08:27 GMT
lol. wasn't it?
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Post by large michael on May 9, 2007 22:08:31 GMT
i honestly dont know anymore.
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Post by jill on May 10, 2007 18:27:48 GMT
As for Jill and her disdain not to talk about the miners dispute because it is painful, is it becasue Notts, where she came from were the first mioners to go back to work / and did she feel ashamed of this ? Notts were always moderate and I see nothing wrong in that........what I do recall about the miners dispute is the absolute bullying of striking miners attacking men who decided the strike was futile and they went back to work to support their families, they saw through Scargills egotistic self centred trip, and who can forget those two Welsh miners murdered because they chose to go back to work to support their families,thier assailants dropping huge boulders on to the car from a motorway bridge. It was not all nice and pleasnat I can assure you. As hard as I try the compulsion to reply to you isn't going to go away....... The majority of Notts miner's did not go on strike.....however, those that did were not the first to go back. No, I don't feel ashamed. Contrary to what you might think I was not unreflective nor uncritical of aspects of Scargill's leadership during the strike and neither were the striking miners. Nevertheless, support for the strike held (despite the ballot issue) because most thought there was no alternative. Contrary to your inference that the strike was a consequence of Scargill's monumental ego, the strike was orchestrated by the Tory government who were involved in contingency planning for months before the dispute began (stock piling coal etc). This is not a piece of left wing propaganda, it's a fact. Kenneth Baker has subsequently admitted as much (publically and proudly). David Wilkie was a taxi driver, transporting working miners. This was one of the darkest moments in the strike. The perpetrators were rightly convicted-of manslaughter, not murder-and served prison terms. But you should remember that there were ten deaths connected to the miner's strike, including several pickets (two of whom died in mysterious circumstances) and three kids who were killed when scavenging for coal-their families having been denied social security payments for the duration of the strike. Another stroke of Tory 'genius' designed to force men back to work. I'm going to shut up about this now, but if you chose to continue the conversation, get your facts rights. |
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Post by oldhamlad on May 10, 2007 21:35:12 GMT
I do not wish to come across as confontational but one or two posters have asked me to expand on my views/opinions, as for the person who asked me to expand on Thatcher stopping the NF, well between 1977- 1979 the NF made massive inroads in certain towns and Cities in England, eg Liecster where they secured over 20,000 votes, this pattern was happening in many places.
But When Maggie swept to power on a right wing Patriotic ticket, the NF's support almost dissapeared, never to return to as much support again, of course since then we have seen the ris of the BNP but that would also dissapear if we were to get another right wing government in, Not Cameron !
As for the comment that the NF is strong in Oldham, I can assure you they are not, in fact I don;t think there are any in Oldham, of course the BNP are very strong in Oldham , regularly getting 20-28% of the council votes each time they stand, but thankfully only ever coming second or third.
Returning back to Jill and her defence of the striking miners, I have only touched on the atrocities that the striking miners inflicted on men.women and kids whose fathers went back to work to support their families, being from Lancashire, we too were Moderates like the Notts miners, and soon saw the futility of what has been proved to be Scarghills ego trip, costing several lives, the government were right to close down uneconimical pits, surely anybody with a brain can see that ?
the miners did not do bad out of it, with huge pay offs and compensation, far more than any other industries that had to close, and good old Arthur soon settled down in his mansion complete with swimming pool, he really suffered didn't he ?
Questioned what did Thatcher and the Tories do for the working classes, and why did half of the working classes vote for her ? well she sent our army. air force and navy 8,000 miles to retake the Falkland islands at the request of the Falkland islanders who supported their right to remain British, she gave council house owners the chance to own their own homes at a a very good price, surely nobody can ever see that as a bad thing ? she took on and destroyed the bully boy Unions who for decades had run the country down and to rack and ruin, who can forget the winter of discontent ? 1979, Jim Callaghans Labour government, crumbled to the Unions,
She would not bow down to the murderous I.R.A. hunger strikers, and she gave normal working class young men like me the chance to be self employed and have a good standard of living if I was prepared to work hard and travel the country if need be.
So I consider myself very fortunate to be the age I was when Maggie Thatcher ruled the World ! god bless her, ...hope this does not get me a ban from the site. i am a genuine fan Shane and we can't all think the same surely and be sheep.
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Post by jill on May 10, 2007 22:17:47 GMT
Karma police, arrest this man.
Calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean.
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Post by fatself on May 10, 2007 22:29:55 GMT
I also love abit of Thatcher...strong thighs....
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Post by littlebritt on May 11, 2007 9:39:00 GMT
The diversity of opinion.
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Post by dokdrain on May 12, 2007 15:15:04 GMT
Elvis Costello said it best,
"When England was the whore of the world, Margaret was her madam.
And the future was as pure and as clear as the black tarmacadam"
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Post by jill on May 12, 2007 20:24:21 GMT
Tramp the dirt down...and they are my last words, promise.
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Post by large michael on May 12, 2007 20:33:47 GMT
Sir, i had no idea that there was a difference betwween the BNP and the NF other than a slightly shorter abbreviation, whatever helps you sleep at night, i guess.It seems you did indeed" get on your bike" and i for one am proud of you.well done.Unfortunately, once the strong actually did survive, that left the rest of us.Here 20 quid a week for a YTS.Thankyou madam, please can i have some more?
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zozo
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Post by zozo on May 14, 2007 20:40:14 GMT
What about Billy Elliot-could it happpen? Quote by Arthur Scargill in the intro to the screenplay: (along the lines of) the need to free working people of labour so to let their freedom of expression and creativty flow...sorry so crap not to have the quote but think I left it somewhere.
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Post by bigboyjim on May 18, 2007 12:31:47 GMT
Bloody hell, this is going a little deep, ain't it? I can't really add much meat to this debate cause I was only 6/7 when The Falklands happened and its only in recent years that I got to learn about the NF being a party (if I can call them that) that almost threatned the British way of life, till Thatcher got on the race soapbox.
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Post by christine on May 19, 2007 12:14:36 GMT
new here, but have to start on this thread. Well said Jill.
I was in my mid 20s in 1983 and being from Liverpool I was first hand witness to what Thatcher's policies did to my family. You can't pretend she was good for the working class. She presided over creating the economic climate for dismantling huge amounts of manufacturing in this country, as well as de-nationalising the very assets that were now reaping the consequences of - the railways, the water companies, the 'leccy and gas boards. As well as allowing the NHS to flounder. Thinking about her governments now still makes me feel sick with anger.
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