Artist talks

[kunstler]

This is my final post on this board. A little bit ago I wrote this Shane Meadows guy in regards to his films. I complimented this person and as a reply, he hide his email and never replied with anything. But y'know, you would think that if some one is being kind and compliments someone their work, the guy could have at least say "THANK YOU" but no. In this new era, the way that pretentious people behave is rather pathetic. But you know what, this has changed me. I have decided that my days of complimenting these losers is over. As an artist myself, I realize that I have the power. During the past month and a half I have been restructuring my studio to begin production of art films and such. I have obtained support from people in NYC and beyond. I have relatives who function along with two of the major networks in America and I will call on them too for support. And I will begin to create my own art in film as I see it, not fro $$$ but out of a responsibility to create meaningful art. And I will be damned if I will turn a blind eye and or be outright rude to those who appreciate my it. i will never forget you Shane Meadows. No matter where I go with my work, I will never forget how you treated me. Ever.

See you around.

[Chewbaxter]

To quote from the film "Falling Down" - "I See We Have A Critic".

So you complimented Shane - SO F*CKING WHAT?

That entitles you to be added to his 'friends list' does it... and to address someone as a loser simply because you haven't got what you wanted is pathetic - so good riddace to you.

The only thing you have been treated with is indifference in my book - I'm sure that Shane gets loads of emails/letters/posts asking for help/opinions/jobs/personal correspondence.

So there's you - being 'kind' - and of course wanting nothing in return(!) and then you pout because you expected a 'thank you'.

See my friend... in this world I believe you do things for other people because it makes you feel human and its nice to help someone out... but to do things simply to receive compliments/reward your own ego etc. etc. is just pathetic.

I suggest you go away, click on google and read up on 'attention seeking behaviour' and 'personality disorder' ('narcissistic' would be a good one).

And when you're famous, please feel free to quote this on any chat shows you are on - prove to the world that you TRULY are innovative...

And hey - you'll be highly regarded because of the help you didn't get... the terse comments... the rejections... the lack of support.

It'll make you a stronger person and drive you - and then we here at this forum will be abloe to take credit.

God bless you!



Neil.

[Dave]

Is this not some kind of spoof? I fear not... but look at the title, "Artist talks", can that be serious? I fear it can.

No need to repeat the jolly words of Chewbaxter, but I must say I agree with them.

This is a Shane Meadows forum for fans. Just by being a part of this forum everyone is more than likely a fan of Shane's work by definition. We don't expect personal thanks for being a fan though.

For historical reference, Shane didn't start this website, I did. What a boaster! haha, but that's not my point, what I mean is that I started this site and forum and I had no idea if Shane wanted such a thing at the time. That Shane posts on here at all is pretty amazing when you consider lots of other sites about film-makers, actors, etc. To EXPECT more than that is a bit self-centred. Of course people can put questions and praise out there aimed directly at Shane, but it's not your place to expect/demand a response.
You should see the amount of correspondence I get from all manner of people wanting to get in bed with Shane (metaphorically speaking of course! ). There's loads of people basically, but most don't expect personal praise because they understand that people have enough in their lives already without having to fixate on every single person on the internet that likes them aswell.

The first post in this thread makes for some pretty embarrassing reading in my opinion. Why on earth would you announce such a thing other than to get attention?

I have created a monster!

[Chewbaxter]

Yes... yes you have created a monster Dave!

And I haveto say - NOT ONCE has Shane Meadows invited me around for cocktails... nor even a swig of 'Thunderbird' in some low area such as a neglected play area!

I have to say how affronted I am... I've paid cash for Shane's films you know... okay, some I got cheap off 'play' but that's not the point - I DEMAND that Shane say thanks to me, and even mention me in the credits of his next film...

No, s*d 'mention - let's say 'dedicate' - I deserve it!

Now as you all know, I'm offline after tomorrow as we're moving out... but if we weren't, I still sulk anyway and not post anything...

I'd still keep looking in to read comments though - I too am an attention seeker!!!

Anyhow Dave - when you next see Shane, tell him what I've said here... I'm still a fan, but as someone he's ever met, I demand that he starts to correspond, cast and ultimately get me on board to do the commentary for the next DVD!!!

I am the new 'Paddy Considine'.

T'rar duck!



N.

[RichK]

Oh dear! Mr Kunstler, even as a bit of a bit player in this crazy industry, I am constantly bombarded by requests from people like you wanting to somehow get involved in a production, as an actor, crew member, writer, whatever. Constantly, and that's just me! Quite how many messages Shane gets I have no idea, but it must run to hundreds a month. The guy already has dozens of ideas for his own films (see the "What Would You Like Me to Make Next? thread) - so I don't understand what you were expecting anyway. As Dave has already mentioned, the fact that Shane and so many others post on this forum is testament to a) how much it means to us and b) how much you, the other forum members, are valued by us who are involved in putting these things onto the screen. Does Scorsese post as regularly on his fansite? Did he give you a personal reply, maybe invite you out to dinner to discuss your projects? I doubt it.

I admire your forthrightness, at least. If you really have that level of conviction, and contacts who believe in you and back you, then good luck to you. It sounds as if you are already half way there, and in a much more advantageous position than many of the other keen film-makers who regularly post links to their films in the "film-making" section on ths forum. I haven't looked on that page but have you posted links to any of your stuff on there? Do you have stuff uploaded onto Youtube we could have a look at? We'll give you loads of constructive, unbiased feedback, seriously.

How many other forums do you post on? How many of those forums do the conversations just end in people hurling personal insults at each other? That never happens here, this is the value of this forum. I suspect that many will read your post with a certain amount of incredulity, especially the ones who have met Shane at various screenings etc all organised through this forum.

And look, within a few hours of starting this thread, you are already getting intelligent, measured responses to your thread. You are calling Shane uncaring etc on his fan-site, yet still the fans are not really laying into you (yet).

Wake up and chill out, man. The world was not created for you. Shane is not your mentor. You clearly state that you don't need his support to succeed, so don't have a cow if you don't get it.

All the best,

Rich

PS - Chewy - excellent post!

[jill]

Can't claim to 'know' Shane at all, but if I was asked to find single words to describe him 'pretentious' wouldn't be one of them. Everybody hides their private email address Kunster-probably the first rule of forum/chat room participation.

[RichK]

Bless ya, Kunstler, I've just skimmed through all your posts - nice contribution, man, and nice to hear an American perspective on things. Good bye and good luck with your film idea.

[RichK]

Dave, maybe add an "Old Members Say Goodbye" area, near to the "New Members Say Hello" zone..

[Lord Thribb of Hubris OBE]

Hi Y'all,
I have also messaged Shane, I haven't always got a reply, I would never take it personally.
I met Shane at the Broadway Cinema in Nottingham and he was an extremely pleasant man, taking time to sign my DVD covers and was genuinely interested in my conversation.

Paul

[bigben]

When i first joined this forum i sent a message to Mr Meadows congratulating him on his latest triumph(T.I.E), i didn't expect a reply and didn't get one, i am quite happy with this as i would prefer Mr Meadows was spending his time making more excellent films rather than saying thanks to the thousands of people that no doubt send him messages through this and other websites.

[billywizz]

Can't claim to 'know' Kuntstler at all, but if I was asked to find single words to describe him 'mardarse' would be one of them........

[Lord Thribb of Hubris OBE]

billywizz said:

Can't claim to 'know' Kuntstler at all, but if I was asked to find single words to describe him 'mardarse' would be one of them........

Oh dear a typo/spelling mistake as crept into your reply - or as it??

Ein Kunstler hat gesprochen.

[Kezz]

I'm pretty sure this whole thread was designed to thrive off controvesy.

The best thing we could all do is not continue posting in here. and let this thread die.
That would have the most damaging affect to Cuntler.

...

Kieran.
(p.s. But he shall be sorely missed, a real asset to the forum)

[large michael]

Does it always come down to me? Must i...?
The man was a cunt, lets face it. An artist speaks? You are not a fucking artist until my local newagent sells greeting cards with one of your pictures on the front, thats the rule. Why in the name of christ should the man mail you? If memory serves, you're initial posts consisted of you damning the female cast members with faint praise, not an attention seeking device at all, yes? If you really have got great contacts, use them, dont tell us, why would we care? Nepotism over talent, its a beautiful thing.
In the end , Kezz, is right. Good riddance, may your future riches stop the lambs from screaming.

[DeLarge]

Good riddance! Artist? fucking pissartist perhaps.

blert.