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Post by jill on Aug 28, 2008 16:50:30 GMT
Not sure, but I think this site has grown from around 300 members to 1300 since the release of TIE. Inevitably. it's changed a bit in consequence, but it's amazing that there hasn't been more flamming type posts and other such nonsense. Meadows fans really do seem to be pretty decent people. Anyway, Dave's post last night shamed me into editing mine, so yes he is doing a splendid job  |
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Post by shindig on Aug 28, 2008 17:34:16 GMT
It's probably because, if they're like me, This is England was their introduction to Shane's work. They're decent people, aye. Just give them a camera and don't expect anything beyond standard Meadowsian practices.
Misery, twist, end mostly.
Or "I'm a bloke, I do this. Oh, I can pretend." stories.
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Post by billywizz on Aug 28, 2008 17:49:59 GMT
yeah but you've never written a bafta winning film shinny, so your opinion is essentially worthless.....
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Post by Dave on Aug 28, 2008 18:31:53 GMT
It's probably because, if they're like me, This is England was their introduction to Shane's work. They're decent people, aye. Just give them a camera and don't expect anything beyond standard Meadowsian practices. Misery, twist, end mostly. Or "I'm a bloke, I do this. Oh, I can pretend." stories. No matter what the thread is about, a swift dig at budding film-makers is always snuck in there! haha When did Meadows last make a film about Weston Super Mare, or a rap about a burnt pier?  |
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Post by shanemeadows on Aug 28, 2008 20:02:23 GMT
god i cant even be arsed reading all this seems like same shit again but i will say Shane sold out ages ago the fucking pot noodle product placing baldy man. That is true youth, We were sponsored by Pot Noodle back on Midlands (although Ricky Tomlinson eat most of them before I got a look in!) If it is a great big long advert to some people, then perhaps they should congratulate me on making the longest advert ever and one that will also become my second highest grossing advert of all time. The first being 'This is England' of course, which had Ben Sherman's (amongst others) backing. Why weren't people pissing and moaning about that. I think it was because no-one in the papers actually enlightened them, so they simply enjoyed it for what it was. I wonder if we would have had a similar thread back then had the Guardian launched an attack on TIE based on the Support of the Reggae Record Label or Ben Sherman or Fred Perry? I bet we 'effing would! Let me just say for the record: I make films about things I care about. I make adverts for money. By that most simple of logic, Somers Town is a Shane Meadows Film and I am proud to have made it. Finally, Raising millions of pounds is fucking hard, If I waited for the one 'clean and perfect' funder to make a film, I wouldn't have made one yet so get a frigging grip, the world ain't a box of mockolates!  |
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Post by NewYorkDoll on Aug 28, 2008 22:31:29 GMT
god i cant even be arsed reading all this seems like same shit again but i will say Shane sold out ages ago the fucking pot noodle product placing baldy man. That is true youth, We were sponsored by Pot Noodle back on Midlands (although Ricky Tomlinson eat most of them before I got a look in!) If it is a great big long advert to some people, then perhaps they should congratulate me on making the longest advert ever and one that will also become my second highest grossing advert of all time. The first being 'This is England' of course, which had Ben Sherman's (amongst others) backing. Why weren't people pissing and moaning about that. I think it was because no-one in the papers actually enlightened them, so they simply enjoyed it for what it was. I wonder if we would have had a similar thread back then had the Guardian launched an attack on TIE based on the Support of the Reggae Record Label or Ben Sherman or Fred Perry? I bet we 'effing would! Let me just say for the record: I make films about things I care about. I make adverts for money. By that most simple of logic, Somers Town is a Shane Meadows Film and I am proud to have made it. Finally, Raising millions of pounds is fucking hard, If I waited for the one 'clean and perfect' funder to make a film, I wouldn't have made one yet so get a frigging grip, the world ain't a box of mockolates! Literally just got in from seeing Somers Town. A totally great film Shane so well done! I will be seeing it again...and again...and again. Loved all of it, just all of it. It did not seem like an advert for Eurostar. It seemed like a Meadows film which happened to mention Eurostar a couple of times which, I add, would kinda be unavoidable given the location of the film. Great movie! |
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Post by dankeane on Aug 28, 2008 23:49:42 GMT
Hello everyone, its me who started all this. I'd just like to say that apart from a few "fuck you, you prick" style remarks at the start, (which are of course understandable, i was slagging off shane meadows on a shane meadows fansite) the members have really been cool and sensible and honest and i definitely hope to join in on some discussions in the future, hopefully on the positive side, because i do love alot of what Shane has done, and would like to shout about that too. I did, after all, join the site as a disgruntled Shane Meadows fan, rather than a Shane Meadows hater, which i most certainly am not. So, fair play to all of you, i suppose is what i'm trying to say. I think i've done you a favour really, i think arguing about why something is great really reinvigorates your love for it.
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Post by Lord Thribb of Hubris OBE on Aug 29, 2008 1:42:04 GMT
*SPOILERS*I'm not a fan of the word sell-out. i think it's a word used too much by people with no success about people with some success. if a film-maker is very talented and he lands a job for a advertising company where he gets to show off his chops in style and narrative then more power to him i say. like the BMW ads by david fincher and ridley scott, are fine. But when what you're good at and loved for is an ability to exhibit scenes of emotional honesty and tackling real social issues, and then uses that ability to manipulate a completely soulless story, in an unbelievably contrived and cynical way to advertise Eurostar, they degrade the validity and of their previous films, take unfair advantage of their young actors and that person is a fucking sellout and should be ashamed of themselves. It's like a comedian pretending to spontaneously come up with their jokes, when you know that its all affectation. Shane Meadows knows well how easy it is for him to make a film that seems like a heartfelt ode to youth, he has the formula down, and now he's going to make money from it in the most cynical way possible. The film is literally a 75 minute advertisement for Eurostar (barely feature length, but you still have to pay as much). And it seems like he's fooled most people. Its like he was given a brief by Mother, of how may times he had to demonstrate how great it is being on a train (wow you get to meet nice people who'll buy you lunch if you get beaten up, and wow its so quick to get to paris where the girls are hot!), and then thought : "how do i disguise this piece of shit as some kind if socially responsible commentary as well as a right of passage? i know i'll make one of them polish! yeah immigration that's an issue! and i'll make his dad an alcoholic! they'll never see that coming! i know i can shoehorn all these ideas into this! i can fit all this around the ad! i can smell the paycheck!" I was a huge fan of Shane Meadows, until I saw Somers Town. Shane Meadows how do you sleep at night. Does it really matter who pays for the seeds when the resulting fruit is so wonderful? |
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Post by shanemeadows on Aug 29, 2008 8:12:00 GMT
Hello everyone, its me who started all this. I'd just like to say that apart from a few "fuck you, you prick" style remarks at the start, (which are of course understandable, i was slagging off shane meadows on a shane meadows fansite) the members have really been cool and sensible and honest and i definitely hope to join in on some discussions in the future, hopefully on the positive side, because i do love alot of what Shane has done, and would like to shout about that too. I did, after all, join the site as a disgruntled Shane Meadows fan, rather than a Shane Meadows hater, which i most certainly am not. So, fair play to all of you, i suppose is what i'm trying to say. I think i've done you a favour really, i think arguing about why something is great really reinvigorates your love for it. Fair play for seeing it through DanKeane and proving that you aren't just a regular old troll. There is a bit of a misconception on here that people stick there noses up my A-HOLE when in fact most people are very honest about the films. The difference being that they don't attack the films like a Tabloid going after Gary Glitter, they simply say they don't like it/get it or suchlike. If someones first post is 'Shane is a complete Twat' or 'Somers Town is a lump of Shit' then people are going to get pissy as it is usually some old enemy of mine from college or an attention seeking lezbot trying to make a name for themselves. But you seem to have good intentions and have now built up a few posts in the process so you may well not be someone I forced to smoke at school or an ex girlfriend who knows she has missed out on the trip of a lifetime with tubby.  |
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Post by saffy on Aug 29, 2008 10:52:15 GMT
Haha ... *chuckle* .. nice to hear your opinion dankeane - we're all entitled to it. Shame you didn't find anything to like about the film.
Personally .. and I'll keep it short, Somers Town did what it said on the tin .. provided me with a slice of life today - I winced at one point, lauged out loud at others .. and came away with a melancholy smile on my face.
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Post by tonyyeboah on Aug 29, 2008 12:25:10 GMT
Thing that always sets Shanes films apart from most flicks is his eye for a bit of social observation. Hes obviously a bit of a people watcher (close your curtains at night!) and captures social interaction extremely well.
So even if the film is a 75 minute ad for Eurostar it will be the best and most socially astute ad you are likely to see
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Post by shindig on Aug 29, 2008 16:40:53 GMT
It's probably because, if they're like me, This is England was their introduction to Shane's work. They're decent people, aye. Just give them a camera and don't expect anything beyond standard Meadowsian practices. Misery, twist, end mostly. Or "I'm a bloke, I do this. Oh, I can pretend." stories. No matter what the thread is about, a swift dig at budding film-makers is always snuck in there! haha When did Meadows last make a film about Weston Super Mare, or a rap about a burnt pier? It's a motivational prod.  |
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Post by johartley on Aug 30, 2008 11:02:29 GMT
It takes a bigger man to see the error of his ways.... i admire your ability to be able to deal with this situation rationally Dankeane. Well done mate. Good to hear your not gonna run away, as im sure your much bigger than that. Its always good to have a real debate, get things off your chest. I see myself as a very fair, down to earth human being, so when i read that first thread and obviously knowing Shane, I found it really insulting and wanted to defend his corner. When you see how Shane is whilst working and how difficult it is to KEEP your integrity whilst making a film, of which i have witnessed with TIE, i will defend him till the death. Its really NOT easy to make great films. Lets hope it gets alot easier for Shane, although, knowing how much he cares about his projects i dont think it will, even money doesn't make life easier. Being satisfied and doing the right thing makes life easier, and thats not always an easy choice for everyone involved. I defended Shane because i thought you was barking up the wrong tree, not because ive worked with him or i want to again, because he is my friend and i understand him. As much as it must seem fun and glamourous being a successful film director or actor, its very hard sometimes, you are constantly judged - which is fine, but what we have to rememeber is not to take ourselves too seriously. Life is short and you do your best, then you die and nobody really fuckin cares, of course only your family. So i admire you for your strength of words but there are times when there not always chosen the best. Believe me ive been in trouble many many times because i chose the wrong words. No one is on here because we need to be. We want to be. I loved Somerstown, it made me feel proud, emotional and it was fun. Thats what we need Shane to do, have fun and make more great films, then we will all be happy! At the moment,... i look like Suzie Quattro, just had extensions for my new film, set in 1974, i look really glam AGAIN not - lol!!! You would laugh. I wonder if my new title will be 'funny hair actress'  When is someone gonna cast me opposite Brad Pitt and make me look like Cameron Diaz! ITS NOT FAIR!!!!!!! lol xxxxxx |
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Post by malarkey on Aug 31, 2008 9:50:26 GMT
Thing that always sets Shanes films apart from most flicks is his eye for a bit of social observation. Hes obviously a bit of a people watcher (close your curtains at night!) and captures social interaction extremely well. So even if the film is a 75 minute ad for Eurostar it will be the best and most socially astute ad you are likely to see Seen the film last night not knowing it was so short. Was just getting into it when it finished. Excellent acting in it and a good wee story. Never really made me think of booking the Eurostar though. Better flying from Glasgow really. Laughed like a loon when Thommo produced the women's clothes. That was the stand out moment in the film for me. ;D In terms of the 'sell out' claims I have read here it is clear that independent directors have to get the money from somewhere. I made a sarcastic comment about the Asda ad on another thread right enough. But then I have shopped at their shops so it is difficult to say whether I would produce an ad for them. But probably not. |
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Post by saffy on Aug 31, 2008 14:51:19 GMT
I loved the lighting in some parts of the film ..
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