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Post by symond on Oct 1, 2010 7:25:37 GMT
i guess if shane does the 1990 he has pretty much got our entire era sown up. i was part of the wycombe crew, gavin watson photographed our entire teenage years, these story lines are almost a carbon copy of our lives. i know gav and shane have been in discussion. although its hard for me to relive alot of the stuff in this tv show, its also quite amazing what we went through, there are big chunks missing (mainly the skinhead violence and bonding), but shane has caught alot of it well. the pervert never got his justice, only a small fine. 'lol' ended up with a black crack/heroin dealer who abused her for the next 15 yrs, but she has escaped now with 3 kids, heroin wiped out a few of the lads. some have done 20 yrs in jail, but lots are happy, married with kids and living normal lives now. the rave generation took a big toll on people, and extasy killed the youth cults. but well done shane, i enjoyed it very much. i would love to have had a scooter, but never would have sold out and become a mod  |
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Post by seanr68 on Oct 2, 2010 23:41:11 GMT
i would love to have had a scooter, but never would have sold out and become a mod You dont/didn't have to be a Mod to have a scooter mate. Half my mates were skins and other half were mods....Skins were riding lambys and vespas as far back as i can remember. In fact most of them still have a scoot. Get yersen one, we're at the right age to have a mid life crisis. ;D |
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Post by jackieme on Oct 5, 2010 10:57:28 GMT
Well I bottled out of watching the final episode last week. The previous episode had been so harrowing for me that I suppose I just "made an excuse " to avoid the inevitable.
So I avoided any reviews, stayed away from Facebook and watched the repeat last night. I had a feeling that Lol was going to confront Mick but no idea who would come off worst. This is Shane Meadows after all.
As she was stomping determinedly toward the house I thought I was going to cry. I was already crying by the time she gave him a wee jab with her finger and shared an "oh, fuck" moment with the nation.
Oh.My.God. That one take scene was really really hard to watch. I have NEVER seen anything like that. I was totally there in the moment. Sobbing and babbling. I have thought about this a lot, and I reckon slowing the film down was totally the right decision. I don't think I could have taken it all if it had been shown in real time. And time does seem to slow down in those situations. So it worked. And the juxtaposition with the sweet scene between Sean and Smell.
I am no film critic. I am not schooled in Media studies. I only know that I have never been so affected by a television series. How much I love those people. I wish I had an old photo of me at that time to post. I had exactly the same hairstyle as kelly. But like Lol, I wore the Docs and acted tough. Acted. Nothing bothered me. I could face anything and anyone.
I went to bed and cried for about an hour. Then woke up at 3 and cried some more. Then again at 6.
I finally acknowledge that I need to get some help to help me deal with this. Thank you Shane Meadows for helping me realise this, and see just how deeply and in how many ways one man's inadequacy as a human being has fucked me up. How much has been robbed from me and women like Lol. Lol wasn't just talking for Kelly when she said to Mick "You have ruined her life". She knew what she was talking about.
I have never seen that subject dealt with this way. No big dramatic outcomes for the victim, just a slow strangulation of the ability to trust and to love. Combined with a deep longing for both that can lead to all kinds if problems. And all the ways that combination can fuck up lives. It wasn't just Lol who suffered from this. A lot of the characters shared this trait for different reasons. Sean. Combo. There was something going on in Trudy as well I think. Lives interrupted.
Thank you Sean Meadows. That wasn't just a television series. That much was obvious.
My word. What an understanding of the human condition.
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Post by emma21 on Oct 7, 2010 9:21:31 GMT
two words
awesome drama
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Post by symond on Oct 12, 2010 18:39:19 GMT
haha you are right sean, i would love to go thru a mid life on a scooter, its funny looking back how the mods and skins were arch enemies, but the skinheads were alot harder edged and hated, which is why we bonded so much and also attracted the fucked up abused kids, which shane touches on in this series
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Post by 1979mod on Oct 12, 2010 19:08:06 GMT
Get yersen one, we're at the right age to have a mid life crisis. ;D Got my first Vespa at 46, and loving it ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by paulfleetwood on Oct 12, 2010 19:23:29 GMT
havent had chance to post my thoughts on the last episode, tried to this morning wrote a long post, then my comp froze. So cant be bothered writing it all out again so i'll sum it up in one word like they do on the DVDs.
The best tv show ever made........ till The Walking Dead comes on tv. - Paul Morrison
I'll give you permission to use that Shane if you want for promotional stuff.
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Post by symond on Oct 13, 2010 6:56:07 GMT
Well I bottled out of watching the final episode last week. The previous episode had been so harrowing for me that I suppose I just "made an excuse " to avoid the inevitable. So I avoided any reviews, stayed away from Facebook and watched the repeat last night. I had a feeling that Lol was going to confront Mick but no idea who would come off worst. This is Shane Meadows after all. As she was stomping determinedly toward the house I thought I was going to cry. I was already crying by the time she gave him a wee jab with her finger and shared an "oh, fuck" moment with the nation. Oh.My.God. That one take scene was really really hard to watch. I have NEVER seen anything like that. I was totally there in the moment. Sobbing and babbling. I have thought about this a lot, and I reckon slowing the film down was totally the right decision. I don't think I could have taken it all if it had been shown in real time. And time does seem to slow down in those situations. So it worked. And the juxtaposition with the sweet scene between Sean and Smell. I am no film critic. I am not schooled in Media studies. I only know that I have never been so affected by a television series. How much I love those people. I wish I had an old photo of me at that time to post. I had exactly the same hairstyle as kelly. But like Lol, I wore the Docs and acted tough. Acted. Nothing bothered me. I could face anything and anyone. I went to bed and cried for about an hour. Then woke up at 3 and cried some more. Then again at 6. I finally acknowledge that I need to get some help to help me deal with this. Thank you Shane Meadows for helping me realise this, and see just how deeply and in how many ways one man's inadequacy as a human being has fucked me up. How much has been robbed from me and women like Lol. Lol wasn't just talking for Kelly when she said to Mick "You have ruined her life". She knew what she was talking about. I have never seen that subject dealt with this way. No big dramatic outcomes for the victim, just a slow strangulation of the ability to trust and to love. Combined with a deep longing for both that can lead to all kinds if problems. And all the ways that combination can fuck up lives. It wasn't just Lol who suffered from this. A lot of the characters shared this trait for different reasons. Sean. Combo. There was something going on in Trudy as well I think. Lives interrupted. Thank you Sean Meadows. That wasn't just a television series. That much was obvious. My word. What an understanding of the human condition. i also felt very much that way, i lost sleep and thought alot about my ex girlfriend. we were just a young gang of skinheads, i was the tough guy, as were most of my mates. when i met her, i was so drunk i couldnt speak, but we got together, within a short time she began to trust me and then told me about her ordeal at the hands of her step father, 6 years of continual rape and torture, the reality far more extreme than shane made in this series, but i was back there. wanting to protect her against everything the world could do to her, nurse her through asthma, watch her get bulemic, the constant working out and not eating. i thought i could help her, but i was just a 19 yr old abused kid myself, i had no way to deal with it, i fought anyone, other gangs, police, joked and laughed, had my crew for my own protection, my surrogate family, who i would have died for, and did protect and fight against massive odds and life risking situations. i have thought about it alot over the last few weeks and wonder how many other skinhead crews across the country were going through the same thing. i thought it was just us, but at the time it was completely normal |
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Post by tonyyeboah on Oct 18, 2010 13:56:08 GMT
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Post by paulfleetwood on Oct 19, 2010 9:06:35 GMT
Only joking about the walking dead show being better than this is england, two totally different shows. Just cant contain myself its spilling out like the the guts of undead roamer. Ohh well cel la vie.
This is england show has been one of the best pieces of television for a long time and will be remember for a long time to come. Channel 4 show some of the best cutting edge tv shows and dramas from the piss takingly and sometime serious Shamless to one of drama pieces like the excellent Tina takes a break and Tina goes shopping.
Well done to all involved for making such engrossing tele and look foward to the second series if it gets made. Just wondering where it can go from here. A little thought would be to see how Combo gets on in prison, could be an interesting angle and story to tell.
Now that does sound a good concept, Shane making a prison drama.
Cracking documentry tony not many skinheads around that time as i remember but plenty of mullets. I was about 6 or 7 in 1986. GO Chrissy Waddle!!!!
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Post by symond on Oct 29, 2010 11:06:44 GMT
by 86 the football casuals like the icf had their own thing going on. the skinheads in london were a major force, the fashion 2 tone era had passed, but the hard right wing had big numbers in london, also the ska and scooter skins were large in numbers. i was a skinhead back then and we had a very good social life, and we didnt really stick out like a sore thumb. but we were very much 'in our own society' the suss and comraderie was more on the hells angel sort of thing (outlaws i suppose). to be accepted in a skinhead crew, you had to have 'suss' and be able to stand your corner in a fight. and yes we bashed many football hooligans in the process |
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Post by cliftonestate on Nov 1, 2010 17:39:38 GMT
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