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Post by jim woolley on Jun 27, 2009 19:04:30 GMT
Well, we all try to look hard and like a fictional film character.
Really, I thought it looked like the film but somehow it didn't at the same time.
Saw a screening of that introduced by McDowell and had the pleasure of sharing a lavatory with Malcolm too.
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Post by jafford on Jun 28, 2009 1:08:43 GMT
Really?! I hadn't noticed. Only everyone's Facebook status and news being dominated by the fact. Be funny to see the media take a U-Turn and start saying how amazing he was now. ITV has a documentary on MJ NOW!! Right now! Is as if they prepered the doco ages ago so it was ready to be screened in the event of his death. Bloody media. Anyway... loved his music when I was younger, and to be honest still really enjoy it. I really find it hard to believe any of the pedo stuff. I like to think he was just a bit clueless... too childlike. I can see why people think he was though. I'm sure a lot of aligations (sp?) were false just in order to get some money. But perhaps he was a massive pedo. I've no bloody idea. Sad to see the old boy go. Provided a lot of awesome tunes for me to enjoy. They're saying Michael Jackson tripped over a baby's pram which triggered his heart attack. However, Doctors are saying its too early to.... Blame it on the Buggie. All his wonderful famous friends that have come out of the woodwork to say how upset they are. Where were they when the allegations and trial were happening?
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Post by marksherbert on Jun 28, 2009 8:27:02 GMT
Well, we all try to look hard and like a fictional film character. Really, I thought it looked like the film but somehow it didn't at the same time. Saw a screening of that introduced by McDowell and had the pleasure of sharing a lavatory with Malcolm too. Jesus man, can you just let someone have an opinion?!
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Post by jim woolley on Jun 28, 2009 13:55:36 GMT
I didn't try and foist an opinion on Malcolm in the toilet, what do you mean?
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Post by carolyn on Jun 28, 2009 20:46:02 GMT
I'm with Delarge and he is entitled to his opinion. I just think how weird all this celebrity stuff is and the outpouring of public grief is strange. Yes, MJ was good, he entertained the public and the public paid him. Same as anyone else in entertainment really, it's a done deal. I read something that Liam Gallagher (I think) said about the response of the public to Princess Diana's death and it was on the lines of the people laying flowers for Princess Diana probably don't put flowers on their Grandmother's graves. This, to me, sums up perfectly this time of celebrity that we are now living in. By that I mean that there can be such a massive outpouring of public grief and perhaps some of us are neglecting the people who are close to us. A breakdown in society if you ask me, but who am I to say. Of course, as I said before, it gives the government and others a bit of breathing space as we are subjected to non-stop coverage of such things as MJ's death. Could you imagine being stuck in a bubble and all you hear for the rest of your life is MJ's music?
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Post by jill on Jun 29, 2009 1:25:26 GMT
Well just about everybody feels ambivilant about Jacko, so they're both right I suppose.
I should think scummy journalists around the world have their own back catalogue of nasty stories that they'll now be able to publish with impunity, so Jacko haters hacked off by this outpouring of lurve wont have to wait too long for the universe to be re-balanced.
The mourning celebrities stuff is bizarre though...........my bro was telling me he was in Fopp on Saturday and this woman surveyed the shelves now stacked up with Jackson CDs/DVDs etc and burst into tears.........totally bats.
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Post by Dazza on Jun 29, 2009 7:41:52 GMT
I wasnt a fan of the individual man or his lifestyle or private affairs myself. The music yes he was a fantastic entertainer and music innovator and his music will live on. I think the major thing that is crazy is how people keep going back to the child molestation charges and seem to forget that he actually was found Not Guilty. Thats one problem with humanity it seems even when someone is found innocent people still see them as guilty. There must have been masses of other shit that the guy faced on a mass scale that helped make him such a fucked up individual. The papers are full of what they call ten page tributes but surely a tribute but funny enough a large chunk of it goes over the bad stuff.....
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Post by Gary on Jun 29, 2009 8:15:51 GMT
I read something that Liam Gallagher (I think) said about the response of the public to Princess Diana's death and it was on the lines of the people laying flowers for Princess Diana probably don't put flowers on their Grandmother's graves. I think that is the best point anyone has made...
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Post by jim woolley on Jun 29, 2009 10:03:57 GMT
Well just about everybody feels ambivalent about Jacko, so they're both right I suppose. I should think scummy journalists around the world have their own back catalogue of nasty stories that they'll now be able to publish with impunity, so Jacko haters hacked off by this outpouring of lurve wont have to wait too long for the universe to be re-balanced. The mourning celebrities stuff is bizarre though...........my bro was telling me he was in Fopp on Saturday and this woman surveyed the shelves now stacked up with Jackson CDs/DVDs etc and burst into tears.........totally bats. Is it really THAT bats though, Jill? I think you had to have close contact with the Off the Wall and Thriller albums, when MJ was at his peak. If they are part of your memory of the early 80s, even late 70s, those memories are kind of untarnished by the sick freakshow and abuse-centred horror of later years. It's like a different Jackson infact. 'The innocent years' Younger people or those who never listened to those albums are going to be only thinking of the later years when it all went OTT and stupid mostly, so I suppose 'he was a pervert sicko, good riddance' responses are to be expected if you don't know much about just how good those early albums were, in their time in history.
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Post by jill on Jun 29, 2009 11:43:44 GMT
Well millions of people have willingly sacrificed their lives for 'the nation'; essentially a 'fiction' comprised of people who, as Anderson insightfully remarked, for the most part we do not know and will never meet, so, no, it isn't totally surprising that people can get very emotional about public figures they do not know and will-probably-never meet. I suppose with the 'nation' there's reciprocity, whereas celebrities probably don't burst in to tears when one of their fans die. It's the emotional intensity-raw response- and immediacy-its personal- combined with the one-sidedness that I find odd-like there's some bizarre stalker like thing going on* If his music has been a soundtrack to people's lives, his death doesn't really change that does it? The irony is that maybe many of the people who were actually around going through the same things, going to the same places etc, while those memories were taking root, probably aren't a part of that individual life anymore and they might not grieve for them or even know when and if they die. So old Liam's comment is rather insightful really-although I tend to think that fate's reserved for Grannies who don't give you sweets Like I say, I loved the Jackson 5 when I was little and my kids loved Thriller when they were wee, so-like/love him or loath/hate him, -his influence and staying power's not in dispute. * I'm deliberately winding you up btw ;D
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Post by Gary on Jun 29, 2009 12:18:20 GMT
There seems to be alot of grey areas in this debate... you could say it's neither Black or White...
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Post by Bill Edwards on Jun 29, 2009 13:19:51 GMT
LOL! ;D You dry dry bar steward! Again! Surely not Peter Spellofinsandwhich again?
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Post by Gary on Jun 29, 2009 13:56:09 GMT
Hey, no Chromebaby that all me! Talking of twitter based MJ posts... Alan Carr said "I love the way MJ fans have has a go cos I havent mentioned him. Sorry!! But I have a life."
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Post by carolyn on Jun 29, 2009 20:36:26 GMT
I hope that I am right about Liam's comment. Maybe it was Noel, but I'm sure something on those lines was said by one of them.
It is interesting how emotionally attached people seem to be to celebrities. We had a discussion somewhere else on this forum about which type of art conjures up the most emotion and somebody said that music was the background to our lives and this could be true. Also, we interact with others more when listening to music rather than reading or watching a film. I'm wondering if it is possible that in society we are not very good on an emotional level with the people near us and therefore too much emotional attachment is made with celebrities. Also, the way that the media works these days is that the celebrity figures are brought to us on a daily basis through TV, magazines, the web etc and in the "old" days the public did not know the film stars (the era of Clark Gable etc), or, more to the point, feel that they knew them as the coverage was less. Of course, we don't know celebrities anymore today than we ever have but because they are "rammed" down our throats at times perhaps this creates the impression that we do. Personally, I think that if you get upset over a celebrity to the extent of bursting into tears etc, it could be possible that you don't have emotional attachment on a personal level. Who knows, just a thought.
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Post by Dave on Jun 29, 2009 21:02:58 GMT
Getting emotional over celebrities is one thing, but to me it makes far more sense than a load of football fans crying into their pies because some blokes didn't kick a football into a net enough times.
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