This is England!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shanemeadows]

After much of my normal fannying around I have once again changed my films title. The same as version 1 except for a removed Oi!. So now it is simply "This is England"...... (Dunna Hold Breath)

[zerowe]

;D yoel shane i prefer the title," This is England". although i thought both other titles were cool too, this is a more commercial sounding title though , have you ever thought about , " never mind the bollocks...this is england..(.ragamuffins). Anyway i hope you have received my video demo tape, please send my regards to paddy & his family please place the casting agency/auditions/workshop details on this forum as this would help, and please feature some ska reggae such as desmond dekker & the specials , steel pulse for example, being blasted out of someones fat stereo on top of their shoulder as stereos with batteries for mobile usuage were a bit of a craze back then, also graffitti, skateboards , hip hop shout outs surely have to be featured with a bit of." breakdance "for example being on someones old betamax or ferguson push button videostar with a remote control with the wire attached. aye?... ... what about a bruce lee classic being on someone elses t.v or a few classic film posters such as the yuppie era was just growing mad around that time. I remember Bea smith and vinegar tits on ," prisoner cell block h " Spitting was very popular then aswell, remember Bob carylgeese and spit the dog, and stu francis , jim bowim in," Bullseye" .The classic, " ...iiiiiiinn 1 iiiiiin 2 etc ....... and bully's special prize, and " the price is right", " Black adder " " banana splits " was fuckin' nutts man and also Arthur and the minors strikes . Anyway just a brief post , i would appreciate the opportunity to audition for any role, i would gladly volunteer my time to be involved. I was in the choir at uttoxeter's main church, i remember me and my brother used to find money and things under the seats at the racecourse, my aunty used to work at " adams " biscuit factory, and i beleive it has changed ownership now. i remember i lost my boomerang on the roof of the factory. we used to live in manor road. I remember going cubs, and i remember a pub called ," the three tuns " , maybe you could feature alton towers and the jcb h.q at rocester, there's a mad statue of diggers and shit up there. Shane do you remember the( outdoor) swimming baths near where the park is . there was a scool called picknalls if i remember correctly, i used to help out at a local bakery when i lived there. anyhow ...all the best D.

[Dave]

Just had a bit of an update from Louise (Shane's wife) on This Is England.

The filming is scheduled for the 12th September through to the 22nd of October.
Locations used will be in Nottinghamshire and Mablethorpe (in Lincolnshire).

The film has been written entirely by Shane, and not co-written with Paddy Considine as previously thought.

Earlier indications that Toby Kebbell will feature in the film have now changed, and he is not to be in this film.

There will be quite a few brand new faces who have never acted before.

Danny Coen is back on board as Director of Photography.

I have updated these details on the new project page too.

[Morell™]

Shane couldnt you call it 'made in england' like the tattoo skin blokes used to have on their necks.
or even 'Maid in england' then you could get J-Lo in on it.
Having said that I just remembered theres that old Tim Roth film about skins called 'Made in Britain' so forget that then.

[simon]

I like the film title, it has a very tough and in your face statement to it. It sounds like a British version of American history X but it's never good to compare with other films.

[culturalelite]

I presume he's not calling it 'made in england' becuse there's a similar themed film called 'made in britain'... directed by alan clarke. That would be my guess...

the film also stars a very young looking Tim Roth....

[fattaxi]

There was a Clash song called "This Is England" aswell. Its off there "Cut The Crap" album ... which is their worst album.

Si

[Canuckskin]

Hey Shane, thanks for nothing. Thanks for making another stupid movie about Right wing bloody, retarded, boring, wanna be, skinheads. Everytime one of you passionate directors makes a movie about "Skinheads" you fuel the public fire, and real skins like us have to foot the social bill. It doesn't matter what we do, all the rocksteady dance nights we put on, everything we do to try and clean the name left by the fascists, or the endless barricades social stigma we have to duck or hurdle, there's always some other jerk to make a movie about nazi frigging skinheads.
A whole new batch of kids want to emulate it, and everythihing gets ruined for us. They are dying out, they practically even exist anymore. Why couldn't you make a movie about real skins, not this trash.
I had my hopes up. I thought when I heard you were doing a movie about skins, you might do us some justice. I thought wrong.
I guess it's back to scratch for us, and money in the bank for you.

[missdonk]

I don't know how you can judge when you haven't seen the movie yet as it is still in production. I would like to think that this movie will be a lot more intelligent than previous films involving skinheads. If you are gonna argue then at least have the facts before you try to make a point.

[Dave]

You should definitely wait until you've had a chance to see the film before forming your opinion on it. Simply presuming you know what the film is all about isn't really the way to go about things.
I can however fully appreciate the concern you feel over what you think the film will be about.

The film is not about "making another stupid movie about Right wing bloody, retarded, boring, wanna be, skinheads". If the film sets out to stir public opinion of skins, it is NOT to further the right-wing misconception, but to explore real skins.
The film is set to explore the way that right-wing organistaions preyed upon young skinheads... NOT to demonstrate that skinheads=racists. The main agenda of the film is infact to demonstrate the complete opposite.

Shane Meadows himself became a skinhead in his teenage years and with this film he is setting out to demonstrate the greatness of the scene.

Anyway, give the film a chance at least before fully dismissing it. It may surprise you.

[Phil]

I don't think Shane is planning on making Neo Nazi film at all. Wait and see.

[Canuckskin]

"Shane Meadows himself became a skinhead in his teenage years and with this film he is setting out to demonstrate the greatness of the scene."
Well I am still a Skinhead, and have been a skinhead for a long time. I know the story, and i've read the flyer for this movie. Hey, the National front was only a third of the scene back then. With the Two Tone, and the Oi! phenomenons running parralel, a far better story could be produced then reopening the scars that the NF have left on the subculture.
I totally challenge a director to make a good movie about skins for a change. Considering a large portion of british youth from my generation and earlier were part of it, i'm quite suprised there hasn't been one yet.
There is a ethical responsibility for someone making a movie, to ensure that the depiction of a group doesn't turn into folk devilling. All have failed on this subject, and the fights and anger and stereotyping that has happened after movies like, "Romper Stomper" and "American History X" have been brutal at best. I personally have had to fight after these FICTIONAL movies, and frankly, I'm sick of it.

[Mark Sherbert]

Films like Romper Stomper are about a certain type of people who happen to be skinheads. It takes an idiot watching the film without thinking about it to draw the conclusion that all skinheads are fascists. Its like the argument against Do The Right Thing and its portayal of Italian Americans. Spike Lee was'nt judging an entire group of people, just the few that happen to be arseholes (ie John Turturro's character). Being a tosser is'nt exclusive to certain races, groups, religions etc, you get them everywhere irrespective. Hopefully most people know that. As someone who has by the looks of it put up with tossers in your sub-culture for a good while, you should know that.

All of Shane's films have looked at their respective subject matters with intelligence and integrity, and without drawing stereoypes, so like the others said, wait until you see the film until you pass judgement on it. And think about it before you do pass judgement.

[Canuckskin]

The point i'm trying to make is that groups like the NF and the BNP have done really nothing for the Skinhead culture yet seem to get all of the exposure. Haven't they had enough?
I know we don't have the cleanest reputation regardless of what faction we identify with, after all, we are all human, but seriously...
Good or bad coverage by the media, they are an advertisement to others of a scene that barely exists.
I don't need to see the movie to know that the NF's affiliation with Skinheads is going to be portrayed. That has been made crystal. Whether or not you make them seem brilliant, or completely stupid, you have still lifted a rock best left alone.
Exploring the lives of the rest of the culture that isn't fuelled by hate is a cornacopia of celluloid originality virtually untapped by any production. (Except for Gary Oldman's small role in "Mean Time")
So don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the movie is going to suck, Just how about credit where credit is due.

[Mark Sherbert]

But the best way to confront a problem is to bring it out into the open; people see a film about it and they can debate and hopefully overcome it. You might say that this particular problem has been confronted enough, but it obviously has'nt because the BNP still has strong support in a lot of places in the UK.