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Post by saffy on Sept 9, 2010 9:31:23 GMT
Shane .. ere mate, if you're reading this ... a question that is causing much dilemma on the Sheffield Forum ..and obviously keeping people awake at night, and the guy who noticed it .. God it must have spoled the whole episode ..
The mopeds in the show were from the wrong era yamaha fs1e were about around 1976 ten years earlier than the show
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Post by jill on Sept 9, 2010 9:41:49 GMT
I don't know whether it's harder as I've never done it; I realise it's different though. However there are plenty of TV shows where comedy/tragedy are interwoven beautifully - MadMen and Deadwood spring to mind. It's not a question of giving it time. Look at the writing and execution of Deadwood and MadMen... I didn't have a scooby what was going on for the first 5 episodes of Lost, realised I was wasting my life watching it and am now hugely relieved I stopped; what a pile of bilge. The Wire...missed that and one day I'll buy the box set and just watch it all back to back over a couple of weeks; I've heard the writing's great on that. Fair points, I guess. Haven't seen Mad Men (it's on a long list of 'must sees') I agree with what you say about Deadwood, but it didn't start out as a film that then transferred to TV did it? So the calculation about how to get the balance right didn't arise. I do think it is ultimately this balance thing that impacts so much on the pacing and, in turn, on whether the switches from humour to heavy drama work. I was thinking about how the show might have played if, after Shaun's lead in, the writers had gone for fewer members of the gang and/or less of them and concentrated more on Lol, Woody, (Milky perhaps) and maybe Lol's dad (only glimpsed here), since this seems to be where a lot of the focus will lie later on. But if you don't get an immediate sense of the gang and, lets face it, what a bunch of dicks young lads can be, Woody's 'not quite grown up yet' persona wouldn't come over and what he does to Lol would leave you thinking he's just plain nasty, or spineless, maybe. I dunno really. Also, if they had 'toned down' bits or given less screen time to some supporting cast, there'd have probably been folks posting yesterday saying 'what happened to Smell?' or 'more Gadget please' or whatever. Keeping the existing fans happy while attracting a new audience is a tough one and on TV ratings matter, whether we like it or not. Being really good didn't prevent Deadwood from being cancelled long before it had run its course. Edit: Whoops. I'm glad I only managed 15 minutes of Lost before deciding that this might be a total waste of my life  Watch the Wire! Everything about it is good. Interestingly back in 2003/4 absolutely nobody was watching it except the cast, crew, their families and their dogs. David Simon has written with some bitterness about the struggles they had to persuade HBO to keep faith with it. It seems that as a private subscription channel (in the States) HBO could resist some of the commercial pressure and-after much argy bargy-decided to commission season 2 (and then 3) for prestige purposes-they knew it was damn fine, even if the rest of the world was very late catching on. Sadly, it would have died before it was ever truly born, if it had to struggle in the British TV environment. |
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Post by saffy on Sept 9, 2010 10:55:17 GMT
I miss LOST so much ... but somtimes I watched the episodes with a good smokey and that made them a whole new picture !
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Post by jill on Sept 9, 2010 11:24:56 GMT
I miss LOST so much ... but somtimes I watched the episodes with a good smokey and that made them a whole new picture ! I hope you mean a bacon buttie Saffy. I did occur to me when I was watching it that hard drugs might help some  |
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Post by Dave on Sept 9, 2010 11:35:54 GMT
I miss LOST so much ... but somtimes I watched the episodes with a good smokey and that made them a whole new picture ! I missed LOST so much (I didn't see any of it). I couldn't tolerate something that was going to go on forever (almost) and was being made up as they went along. Crap. |
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Post by sugarbeat on Sept 9, 2010 13:08:56 GMT
It did feel a bit frenetic at times, to me at least, but personally, I think the pacing and balance of TIE '86 will be better felt over four shows, rather than one-as a four hourish whole, if that makes sense. I completely agree. Before I started The Wire, my brother told me I had to watch every episode of every season or I wouldn't fully get it. And he was right. I'm about to go into Madmen with the same attitude, so TIE '86 needs similar attention. I think I'll love it by the end. |
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Post by Gareth on Sept 9, 2010 16:09:21 GMT
lost seemed to be written by a room of people who'd had too much of a good smokey.
The Wire and The Sopranos are the two I hold as the bench mark of TV drama.
I've only really watched madmen other than that, thing is the writers constantly rubbing in your face the fact that things were different way back then by showing people smoking and breaking health and safety regulations really got to me, every episode had something going on in which the cast almost turned to camera winked and went "things were different back then".
for anyone who does like madmen you should watch this documentary "Art & Copy" it starts with the VW think small campaign
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Post by kelpie on Sept 9, 2010 17:14:48 GMT
I've never seen the Wire, but the first episode I watched of Generation Kill left me a little confused. I didn't know who anyone was and couldn't understand some of what they were saying and there were a lot of explosions. I enjoyed it more and more as it went on though and things came more into focus and I got to know the characters. |
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Post by Dazza on Sept 9, 2010 18:07:26 GMT
WOW I've seen the first epsiode twice now and it was utterly brilliant.
The opening switch from young Shaun to currrent Shaun was a brilliant idea that was perfectly executed. I really want to compliment the visual look of the series as it was superb with wonderful cinrematography. I was worried when I saw the Red cams being used that it could look to slick and shiny and not gritty enough but it looks ace.
Casting Jonny Harris was also a gem the guys is awesome in London to Brighton and I can already see a dark side to his character looming. This guy is phenomenal at acting bad. Perry Fitzpatrick was brilliant providing the comedy moments in episode one.
The only other thing is why is Tom Harper getting no real credit by fans of the show. All over Facebook Tuesday night was how awesome Shane is, etc (Which I'm not arguing for one moment as Meadows is my film making idol) I can see that Channel 4 have promoted it in Shanes name for maximum promotion but Tom needs to get some credit as the episode was great.
I can't wait for Tuesday night and the next instalment ;D
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Post by Bill Edwards on Sept 9, 2010 18:15:25 GMT
The only TV dramas that have had any lasting impact on me are Threads and Edge Of Darkness both eighties classics. For me TV means comedy. Python, Blackadder, Spaced are my telly touchstones. And Dogtanian.
Like Dave suggests, I can't bare the time thieving American TV dramas that go on and on until the ratings slump. I find American TV drama just very unattractive for that and other reasons. And I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything when people go on about them. The Wire gets a lot of good press from friends but nothing about it intrigues me. And I think it's its length. Were it a feature film I'd be gagging to see it. But twenty two million hours of it? Sixty episodes? Sixty!? This might be lazy thinking but sorry that just puts me right off.
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Post by Dave on Sept 9, 2010 18:28:46 GMT
The only TV dramas that have had any lasting impact on me are Threads and Edge Of Darkness both eighties classics. For me TV means comedy. Python, Blackadder, Spaced are my telly touchstones. And Dogtanian. Like Dave suggests, I can't bare the time thieving American TV dramas that go on and on until the ratings slump. I find American TV drama just very unattractive for that and other reasons. And I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything when people go on about them. The Wire gets a lot of good press from friends but nothing about it intrigues me. And I think it's its length. Were it a feature film I'd be gagging to see it. But twenty two million hours of it? Sixty episodes? Sixty!? This might be lazy thinking but sorry that just puts me right off. Are you sure you're not me? haha That's exactly how I feel too. Comedy all the way. I get my drama from films... only TIE86 has bucked this trend of mine. I started watching The Wire, but I couldn't face the hours upon hours there was to get through. I remember hearing things like, it doesn't get really good until season 2... or was it 3? I'm not investing that much time, I just can't be bothered... I certainly have the time to spare, but I'm not using it to watch a high-brow soap opera. haha ;D Only Seinfeld and Trailer Park Boys are shows I have watched hours and hours of multiple seasons... oh, and I guess Curb Your Enthusiasm is now on season 7! |
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Post by kelpie on Sept 9, 2010 19:09:54 GMT
The only other thing is why is Tom Harper getting no real credit by fans of the show. All over Facebook Tuesday night was how awesome Shane is, etc (Which I'm not arguing for one moment as Meadows is my film making idol) I can see that Channel 4 have promoted it in Shanes name for maximum promotion but Tom needs to get some credit as the episode was great. I agree! I think I said somewhere that if this episode didn't feel 100% Shane Meadows - if we saw signs of the hands of Jack Thorne and Tom Harper - then that was quite right, as it was their project too. |
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Post by shanemeadows on Sept 10, 2010 4:43:02 GMT
Shane .. ere mate, if you're reading this ... a question that is causing much dilemma on the Sheffield Forum ..and obviously keeping people awake at night, and the guy who noticed it .. God it must have spoled the whole episode .. The mopeds in the show were from the wrong era yamaha fs1e were about around 1976 ten years earlier than the show FS1E's or Fizzy's as they were known were and still remain the ultimate Moped to own. Even though there were newer models available to my mates growing up in the mid 80's, everyone still wanted a Fizzy due to the exotic unrestricted top speeds. So they took on a kind of legendary status and hence the reason why so many people still have them to this day. It's like saying the use of 'Man of the World' at the end of Ep1 is wrong cuz it was written in the 60's. People in the 80's didn't just listen to songs from the charts that week, in the same way they didn't just own motorbikes from that year (let alone afford them). |
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Post by noveltyisland on Sept 10, 2010 8:47:45 GMT
That's weird cos Alan Davies was waxing lyrical about Fizzys on the telly last night... and meeting up with the local skinheads who terrorised him and his mates in the eighties.
This was on Channel 4 so I'm sure it wasn't a coincidence that it was on the same week as TIE86.
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Post by dude on Sept 10, 2010 12:29:31 GMT
the bikes/mopeds made me smile many a memory came flooding back Fs1es are unrestricted and can easy reach speeds of 65 mph up to 1977 mopeds had no restrictions to the power output many like the Suzuki AP50 still had peddles which could lock in place or be used to start the bike oh the fun of starting 2 stoke racing bikes loved that 2 stoke smell lingering in the air with microns and tuning some even reached 90 mph on a 49cc moped.Rare now but still a classic bike which if you can find one as Shane said is still the bike to have. Today's mopeds are restricted to 30 mph hence why the bikes are still actively sort after today.The props team did a fine job in finding so many bikes.
I really did enjoy the first part and seeing Shane,s early work on TV I pissed me sen.
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