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Post by Davros on Sept 21, 2010 22:43:34 GMT
 I was affected by TIE in a way not too many others were, thankfully. From it I took sadness, light and associated a massive amount of emotion to the character, and probably watched a completely different film to most people. We all deconstruct media in different ways.
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Post by jill on Sept 21, 2010 23:02:07 GMT
I have just registered to communicate in some way how disgusted I was that there was absolutely no warning about tonight's episode and it's content at the end. My sister in law has been dealing with troubles of this kind of nature for the past few years; I won't go into any specifics but if she had seen that episode tonight, in all probability every ounce of effort everyone has given to helping her live a normal life and be happy again would be dashed by that disgusting specatcle. I dread to imagine what that did to people so unlucky as to see it who bare the same scars as she does, and I officially take back any praise I ever gave to Shane Meadows or his productions. I hope you realise just how much pain you've caused in the name of stringing out this crap. No disrespect, your comment is obviously coming from a good place, but maybe you should wait and see what your sister-in-law makes of it. Not showing violence against women isn't going to make actual violence against women go away and not talking about it doesn't help. Having seen hours of Tarantino style violence against women on screen depicted in comic book style (oh, wait that's ironic isn't it). It's that kind of trivialisation that causes me pain. I was stunned by this episode. |
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Post by DeLarge on Sept 21, 2010 23:06:58 GMT
Well that was a rollercoaster. That poor girl, you give her one little line thus far and then then throw her into that!
Serious stuff that, horrible at the end.
Very well done to Shane Meadows, ignore the mardarses and divs. It was on at 11pm at night for fucks sake and had a warning at the begining, go and watch Last of the Summer Wine if you can't watch decent drama.
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Post by jyekkil on Sept 21, 2010 23:15:56 GMT
No disrespect, your comment is obviously coming from a good place, but maybe you should wait and see what your sister-in-law makes of it. Not showing violence against women isn't going to make actual violence against women go away and not talking about it doesn't help. Having seen hours of Tarantino style violence against women on screen depicted in comic book style (oh, wait that's ironic isn't it). It's that kind of trivialisation that causes me pain. I was stunned by this episode. I can understand your point, and in many ways I do agree that in most cases I wouldn't be entirely in the right for simply assuming the affect something like this would have on someone; the problem I really have is that my sister in law is still in such a fragile state that I have no doubt seeing that last part would provoke a serious downward spiral in her mental health. I guess it might be a bit selfish to ask the whole world to recognise this personal problem but I remain resolute in my belief that had meadows or indeed channel 4 made it completely clear that there was about to be an extremely distressing part of the episode coming up and the nature of it, she would have realised and turned over. As it stood, it was only by sheer chance she didn't watch any of the episode despite wanting to. I've made official complaints to both channel 4 and OfCom to this effect. |
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Post by Gareth on Sept 21, 2010 23:19:16 GMT
this is from facebook -
"after 14 years my daughter as come and told me my ex's boyfriend as sexually abused her"
jyekkil work like this is important
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Post by thegooddoctor on Sept 21, 2010 23:21:56 GMT
Well that was a rollercoaster. That poor girl, you give her one little line thus far and then then throw her into that! Serious stuff that, horrible at the end. Very well done to Shane Meadows, ignore the mardarses and divs. It was on at 11pm at night for fucks sake and had a warning at the begining, go and watch Last of the Summer Wine if you can't watch decent drama. I'd mostly go along with that: if it's on after 10pm on Channel bleedin' Four then I don't really see that warnings should be necessary at all. It is presumably down to internal C4 policy that there were warnings about violence and language in EVERY ad break when they showed "This is England" a few weeks back, and I don't think that even started until 11pm. This was presumably because of the racist inflections of the language/violence, but I guess I am slightly surprised that they don't appear to have a similar policy for sexual violence. Again, I think even having a warning at the start of a post-watershed show is unnecessary (and, frankly, patronizing), but it would be interesting to find out what the rationale is for this apparent "double standard". Needless to say, it was extraordinarily powerful television. |
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Post by sparkyuk on Sept 21, 2010 23:23:57 GMT
Excellent, dark scene to end by but as a whole involving story line which for one reason or another struck a chord in so many ways.
I expect that the next episode of the series will tie in with this final scene and may bare more relevant to why some scenes such as these may in some ways get people talking and prevent such acts of violence being so poignant.
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Post by emmalaura on Sept 21, 2010 23:24:15 GMT
I might add that upon watching the first 2 episodes, the narrative surrounding Mick was made evident; it doesn't take much to put two and two together. I found myself crying at this scene in the same manner in which I cried at the male rape scene in Scum. A brilliant episode; harrowing, powerful and stunning.
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Post by jill on Sept 21, 2010 23:48:11 GMT
No disrespect, your comment is obviously coming from a good place, but maybe you should wait and see what your sister-in-law makes of it. Not showing violence against women isn't going to make actual violence against women go away and not talking about it doesn't help. Having seen hours of Tarantino style violence against women on screen depicted in comic book style (oh, wait that's ironic isn't it). It's that kind of trivialisation that causes me pain. I was stunned by this episode. I can understand your point, and in many ways I do agree that in most cases I wouldn't be entirely in the right for simply assuming the affect something like this would have on someone; the problem I really have is that my sister in law is still in such a fragile state that I have no doubt seeing that last part would provoke a serious downward spiral in her mental health. I guess it might be a bit selfish to ask the whole world to recognise this personal problem but I remain resolute in my belief that had meadows or indeed channel 4 made it completely clear that there was about to be an extremely distressing part of the episode coming up and the nature of it, she would have realised and turned over. As it stood, it was only by sheer chance she didn't watch any of the episode despite wanting to. I've made official complaints to both channel 4 and OfCom to this effect. I don't agee with you, but I understand your point of view. |
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Post by gramcanyon on Sept 22, 2010 0:06:55 GMT
Episode 3 was mindblowing, Meadows at the height of his powers.
It was so recognisably Shane directing, and in my opinion, visually knocked the first 2 episodes into a cocked hat.
That's not to knock the director of the first 2 eps. I think it was porbably important to use a director whose style everyman could get. It's drawn people in, and then dropped a havey dose of Shane on their asses! Can only be a good thing.
Totally amazing. Gutted it's all over next week. Can't wait for TIE 90 now!
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Post by kelpie on Sept 22, 2010 0:08:18 GMT
I can understand your point, and in many ways I do agree that in most cases I wouldn't be entirely in the right for simply assuming the affect something like this would have on someone; the problem I really have is that my sister in law is still in such a fragile state that I have no doubt seeing that last part would provoke a serious downward spiral in her mental health. I guess it might be a bit selfish to ask the whole world to recognise this personal problem but I remain resolute in my belief that had meadows or indeed channel 4 made it completely clear that there was about to be an extremely distressing part of the episode coming up and the nature of it, she would have realised and turned over. As it stood, it was only by sheer chance she didn't watch any of the episode despite wanting to. I've made official complaints to both channel 4 and OfCom to this effect. They did put a warning at the start though "contains scenes of sexual violence" and they put a helpline at the end. I think it is important that we do not shirk away from these things, but explore the impact they have. I applaud him for being brave enough to tackle it and make it feel so real to me. I am sorry if your sister-in-law has reacted badly to watching this, but I don't think it is fair to blame Shane. |
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Post by deejayhart on Sept 22, 2010 0:13:19 GMT
Here's my slightly bemused FB appraisal -
"This is England 86" has me bewildered. The original, a brilliant film. For the series spin-off, a really oddly slapstick (and directionless) first episode, unfitting and a huge disappointment. Then for eps 2 and 3, it alternates between aforementioned broad comedy - and beautiful cinematic poetry, with some incredibly... powerful and dark moments. It is half brilliant, but the other half, while funny in its own right, really doesn't fit. As if two entirely different directorial styles have been spliced... Like "Fish Tank" combined with "Shameless".
Episode 3 was often absolutely fantastic. I still find the comedy angle really inappropriate. I know lightness is important, and no doubt SM felt justified in fusing the two, but the gap between is, well, a bloody chasm. Stunned by the last quarter - and I understand why the website and programme featured a helpline.
Aside from that moment itself, the sense of lives moving on, some youthful friendships dividing - all of this was beautifully captured.
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Post by deejayhart on Sept 22, 2010 0:22:14 GMT
And I've a friend over to watch "Dead Man's Shoes" tomorrow....
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Post by Dave on Sept 22, 2010 1:47:56 GMT
So this thread is now rather SPOILERIFIC.
I've just labelled it as such. I'm not going to start tampering with people's posts because of the sensitive nature of some of them.
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Post by kelpie on Sept 22, 2010 9:34:50 GMT
So this thread is now rather SPOILERIFIC. I've just labelled it as such. I'm not going to start tampering with people's posts because of the sensitive nature of some of them. Sorry, I was responding to posts already here. I can move some of my post to the other thread though. |
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