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Post by DeLarge on Sept 27, 2010 14:04:36 GMT
#He does dave as I've said above.
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Post by jill on Sept 27, 2010 14:30:45 GMT
To add to the confusion, I always thought Banjo said 'I want a part of this.' But, yes, agree with Dave and DeLarge, in the light of this, Banjo's rehabilitation is unexplained and a bit curious. Presumably something happened in the three year intervening period and it's probably being left up to us to write that bit of the story ourselves.
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Post by PatrickCoyle on Sept 27, 2010 14:57:24 GMT
I've wondered about this as well. It is different from that 80s gaffes thread, and it's different from Harvey joining the gang (which is perfectly understandable, him being at school with Gadget and that). But I'm right curious to hear if there was any specific discussion on how Banjo and Meggy became mates with Woody & co after the film, if Shane or Rich or Andy Ellis can say anything on the subject.
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Post by thegooddoctor on Sept 27, 2010 15:23:41 GMT
Banjo barely says anything else in the whole film, though: its just as easy to peg him as a PG Tips addict who can't get through a day without 20 pint pots of milky brew! As much as Shane's films show violence to be repellent, he also shows how it can also escalate incredibly quickly and is also infectious to those who (for whatever reason) become involved with that mindset, even fleetingly. I've seen people who haven't hit anyone since primary school do horrific things in specific circumstances; I could spend the rest of my life recounting all-too-real stories about the violence I've witnessed following Stoke all over the country in the 80s and 90s. Everyone who doesn't live in a world of cotton wool knows this too.
People change; people forgive. It's not complicated. Even if episode 4 does deal with this, it could only be as an expository shortcut so, y'know, whatever....
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Post by jill on Sept 27, 2010 15:33:53 GMT
Banjo barely says anything else in the whole film, though: its just as easy to peg him as a PG Tips addict who can't get through a day without 20 pint pots of milky brew! People change; people forgive. It's not complicated. Even if episode 4 does deal with this, it could only be as an expository shortcut so, y'know, whatever.... Well, he does foreshadow Combo's entrance, by entering the party armed with a bloody big machette and when Combo brings Milky back to the flat, he looks at Banjo, who then hesitates and nods-it could be read almost as an approval thing. Plus, he does say something to the effect that he'd also like to give Milky a kicking. Something might have changed in three years though and I don't think the writers have to spell out every apparent discontinuity- many of the TV audience will not have seen the film and those who have can come to some conclusion about what's changed or who's changed in the interim without any expositionary short cuts imo. |
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Post by Dazza on Sept 27, 2010 20:15:46 GMT
Hang on wasnt Meggy with the gang before Combo and Banjo even showed up??? (If my memory serves right as havent seen TIE in a while)
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Post by Dave on Sept 27, 2010 21:10:16 GMT
Hang on wasnt Meggy with the gang before Combo and Banjo even showed up??? (If my memory serves right as havent seen TIE in a while) Yeah, I mentioned that. I don't think there's any problem with Meggy still hanging round with them in TIE86 |
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Post by PatrickCoyle on Sept 28, 2010 0:54:26 GMT
Meggy was a bit of a nasty bugger in the film as well, mind. You'd think they'd have broken ties with him after all the goings on... But three years is a long enough time for fences to mend.
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Post by sleezen on Sept 28, 2010 2:13:40 GMT
Try reading between the lines, eh? The internet certainly does bring the pedants out of the woodwork, sometimes...  I assume you are talking about yourself? |
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Post by Gareth on Sept 28, 2010 4:48:32 GMT
just watching the combo milky scene again, I still cant make out what Banjo says it now sounds like he says "I want some of this, we want out of it"
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Post by DeLarge on Sept 28, 2010 9:06:23 GMT
'Kin ell. Do people not read the full thread?  I went and checked the dvd and have posted exactly what Banjo said already!! He wanted some of the racial beating, even though Combo has just dished it out - he's disgusted with himself and Banjo's comments, so he glasses him and kicks Banjo and Meggy out, some might say that's their link severed and they become nice guys. I'd disagree. In a deleted scene, Meggy is seen punching and kicking the air as Combo beats Milky up, good job they left that bit out then, eh? Aside from that, Meggy goes off with Combo and Banjo, goes to the NF meetings, partakes in the racist shop theft/attack, attempts to shit on the floor, sprays racist graffiti on the outside. He's a dirty horrible racist, he's also not a child so has no excuse. As already mentioned Meggy was already there, for some reason. In the background. A bit odd but hey ho he was there, though as said above did go off with combo to be horrible! Banjo only arrived with Combo and his entrance (as Jill says) was with the big knife at Smells party. It's clear he's the nasty one with Combo, again as already mentioned - when Combo takes Milky and the weed back, he asks if there's a problem and waits for Banjo's answer/approval. He says "no problem" but after the beating says the other stuff and about being sick of listening to him and wanting part of it. My original point is he was a nasty, vile racist thug and a few years later he's still there as some mellow banjo playing, cake baking nice guy who in all honesty doesn't really seem to fit in does he? Not to me anyway. |
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Post by Gareth on Sept 28, 2010 12:02:45 GMT
sorry I was just carrying on what I was saying to Dave didn't see you'd posted what Banjo said.
you've got to look at it from the gangs perspective rather than your own-
Shaun disappeared after that night so they haven't heard his version of events
Milky will be very blurry about what happened if he remembers at all and could have been in a coma or god knows what
so Meggy and Banjo were possibly the first people to tell the gang about what happened that night and remember to someone who wasn't there Banjo came off a victim as well because he got bottled
I think this will all be brought up tonight because Banjo and Meggy have obviously bullshitted a lot about that nights events, I'm sure Combo will be quite surprised to see Bajo and Meggy hanging round with everyone.
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Post by mmc1uk on Sept 28, 2010 15:27:32 GMT
hi all, first post here, loving this show.
i think that sometimes we do things out of charactor to impress others for many reasons. combo is a truely terrifying person, not because hes a hard man but, becuase he is mentally unstable. ive known people like that and im sure everyone can think of somebody also. banjo for instance, we all got the impression he was a crazy hardcase but, we never actually saw him act alone or do anything worthy of this reputation we gave him ( like many people out there who hide behind reps they get that they havent earned )
my theory is that banjo turned to racism in prison or before he went in to impress anther combo type person. while in prison he took combo under his wing but heres the thing, when they come out of prison, banjo is a follower of combo. i reckon banjo is a victim in his own right and i feel sorry for him because hes really just a coward who doesnt want to get hurt.
as soon as combo was off the scene it would have been easy and a relief to get taken in with the gang for him, his freindship with meggy i think would have made the whole thing possible.
i hope that made some sense as im not very articulate.
im loving this side of banjo, he truly looks happy and at peace.
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Post by thegooddoctor on Sept 28, 2010 15:42:20 GMT
i think that sometimes we do things out of charactor to impress others for many reasons. combo is a truely terrifying person, not because hes a hard man but, becuase he is mentally unstable. ive known people like that and im sure everyone can think of somebody also. banjo for instance, we all got the impression he was a crazy hardcase but, we never actually saw him act alone or do anything worthy of this reputation we gave him ( like many people out there who hide behind reps they get that they havent earned ) my theory is that banjo turned to racism in prison or before he went in to impress anther combo type person. while in prison he took combo under his wing but heres the thing, when they come out of prison, banjo is a follower of combo. i reckon banjo is a victim in his own right and i feel sorry for him because hes really just a coward who doesnt want to get hurt. as soon as combo was off the scene it would have been easy and a relief to get taken in with the gang for him, his freindship with meggy i think would have made the whole thing possible. i hope that made some sense as im not very articulate. A million miles from inarticulate, mate: in fact, I'd say that was by far the best explanation of Banjo's potential back-story yet. The guy has just come out of prison; he's got no job and no support network beyond his mate from the nick. It could be that he had a hard man reputation on the inside, but its just as likely that he got knocked about and the "orrible bastard" persona he's since adopted (amongst a gang of barely-threatening 13-17-year-olds?) is a way of trying to regain some self-esteem as much as anything. Almost all Meadows' more deranged male characters are 'damaged' in some way, so this would be entirely in keeping with what we've seen before. Excellent post!  |
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Post by alfbutton on Sept 28, 2010 15:59:55 GMT
I've mentioned this and others have too. There's been no answers or explanations as far as I'm aware. How are Meggy and Banjo part of the young friends gang? I know over time things change, Harvey is a perfect example of this as are the fact others aren't there now. Friends do grow apart, move on over time - it happens. But these two is something I'm rather uneasy with? The fact they're 15/20 years older than the rest is one argument, the other is in the film Banjo arrives with Combo (Meggy's around already but not explained how IIRC?) and are exposed a pair of horrible vile, racists. The last we see of them is Meggy egging Combo on when he's beating the life out of Milky and Banjo holding Shaun down. So how in the four years since then have they become part of this gang and mellowed into this light hearted almost comedy double act? For instance, during the fight with Flip and co, technically Banjo should've just strolled forward and put Flip on his arse. Because in the film he's a big horrible bastard. No? I'm not being negative or moaning for the sake of it, it's a great film and has been a great series thus far, this is just one bit that has baffled and bemused me. Forget about double glazing, ring pulls and superficial things that aren't integral tot the plot, just a genuine interest and query of how they're where they are and accepted? Yeh, for me the fight-scene was horrific and difficult to watch. Shane's humour has always been conveyed through wit and realism, instead of this slapstick rubbish which, in my view, belittles the kitchen-sink realism that This Is England so perfectly encapsulates. I entirely lay blame with influence on that Skin's writer who was involved with This is England 86. It reminds me of some of the rubbish you'd see on there. I also agree about the questioning of how this big bad thug Banjo, whom combo meets inside prison walls, is now incapable of beating a few teenagers... But once more I blame and attribute such defection to Jack Thorne or whatever his name is. Again, I also agree with your questioning of how was Sean allowed to become ostracised from the group, feeling responsible for the incident (being a vulnerable child exploited by racist propaganda) yet two grown men who instigate and breed fear and racism become focal points of Milky and Woody's group... |
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I went and checked the dvd and have posted exactly what Banjo said already!! He wanted some of the racial beating, even though Combo has just dished it out - he's disgusted with himself and Banjo's comments, so he glasses him and kicks Banjo and Meggy out, some might say that's their link severed and they become nice guys. I'd disagree.