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Post by Gareth on Dec 15, 2011 0:06:39 GMT
loved how much it was left to breathe, and the scene with Combo... don't have words for it
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Post by jill on Dec 15, 2011 0:49:53 GMT
Shall I be the first one to be a twat and mention something I find marginally odd? Okay, if I must! In episode one, when Woody was internally raging during the scene with his boss, he was letting out powerful swears and backtracking to cover himself by claiming it was banter (rather than his barely contained frustration bursting out). Worked really well. In the second episode, I just found it a bit too odd for Woody's character to be 'cunting' and generally being obviously objectionable left right and centre in front of his boss' new partner. Felt weird for Woody's character I thought, because he's always seemed such a decent sort, it doesn't seem right that he would be unable to refrain from being so brazenly offensive to (and around) a totally innocent party. Nah, gotta to disagree with you there Dave. 'Innocent party'? I am actually now starting to love Woody, if only for verbalising what I would probably only think in situations like that (before drinking the beer, of course). I don't know if Shane, Jack, Joe or a combination of the three is writing Woody dialogue, but -along with Lol-he's getting all the best lines and that scene was a perfect example of that imo. 'Who's that fucker?' and the total killer....'In her house, where there's trust.' Briliant. Woody'd being so totally rehabilitated in this, that he's finally starting to look like the right man for Lol, so maybe there'll be a bit of light at the end of the tunnel, if not a happy ending tomorrow. If not, then it's all going to be too heart-breaking to bear. I'm really liking this, even though it is so incredibly sad. Even the gang stuff has a real sad tinge to it, as they fall apart. Vicky McClure's really put her self through it for this-so raw. Could go on and on about this, so will just say-even though what's depicted is obviously bad-it's good to see Lol's experiences being portrayed on the screen, like this. Without getting too heavy-well Ok getting heavy-I remember somebody once commenting on CSI that although it was 'good drama' in one sense, dealing with all that horrible stuff-rapes, murders etc-and then having the whole story neatly wrapped up in a hour, is kind of obscene. I agree. It's good Lol's story has been allowed to develop in this way. Respect to you Shane, Jack, Vicky and everybody else. The prison scene did a lot to help me accept the whole Lol/Combo thing and Combo redemption in 86. There was a lot of work going on in that scene, but both Vicky and Stephen pulled it off-made it seem like natural dialogue, not forced. Both are such emotional actors, it was moving. Well done Smell for smacking both of 'em ;D |
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Post by Dave on Dec 15, 2011 1:15:35 GMT
Shall I be the first one to be a twat and mention something I find marginally odd? Okay, if I must! In episode one, when Woody was internally raging during the scene with his boss, he was letting out powerful swears and backtracking to cover himself by claiming it was banter (rather than his barely contained frustration bursting out). Worked really well. In the second episode, I just found it a bit too odd for Woody's character to be 'cunting' and generally being obviously objectionable left right and centre in front of his boss' new partner. Felt weird for Woody's character I thought, because he's always seemed such a decent sort, it doesn't seem right that he would be unable to refrain from being so brazenly offensive to (and around) a totally innocent party. Nah, gotta to disagree with you there Dave. 'Innocent party'? I am actually now starting to love Woody, if only for verbalising what I would probably only think in situations like that (before drinking the beer, of course). I don't know if Shane, Jack, Joe or a combination of the three is writing Woody dialogue, but -along with Lol-he's getting all the best lines and that scene was a perfect example of that imo. 'Who's that fucker?' and the total killer....'In her house, where there's trust.' But The whole mobile hairdresser thing about cutting the boss' ex-wife's hair was not revealed until Woody had already called her cunt! Crazy! But then I guess that's the point. |
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Post by jill on Dec 15, 2011 2:01:30 GMT
You might be right about that-I just assumed that cunt was directed at his boss (will have to watch it again). Woody was obviously expecting his boss's wife and you got the feeling that when Woody was lying in the bath beforehand, he might have been obsessing about infidelity-for the hundreth time that day  |
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Post by PatrickCoyle on Dec 15, 2011 4:44:26 GMT
I want to comment on the wonderful supporting performances. This time round, a lot of the gang haven't done much, but there are little moments, sometimes individual shots of a character, that are just brilliant. Everything Jo Hartley's done as Cynthia this series has had me grinning, her reaction shots during the pub karaoke are probably my favourite thing in it so far -- and I've really enjoyed it all, so I don't mean that as an insult to the rest of the show. There's just such warmth and power even in little tiny moments.
I find myself sympathising with different parties as well. Even though I was willing Woody not to swallow the pill and become Junior Squires, at the same time, I feel so sorry for the well-meaning people around him and how oblivious they are to how much this life they find lovely just fucking crushes him. And they're gonna be crushed if he lets them know.
That Lol/Combo scene has planted the seed now. This is England '90's heading for a massive love triangle or square or rhombus or something, when he's out of his cage.
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Post by gerry on Dec 15, 2011 6:12:48 GMT
I bet that ending has filled you with Christmas cheer!  Poor Smell. Vicky McClure... mind blowing performance. That scene blew me away. Cinematography is a bit different this time around, shots are a lot more still. Although I did enjoy the Wrestler inspired dragging shot behind Lol as she went to visit Combo. Another superb scene. Vicky is just incredible; never has one actress blew me away as much. Bring on tonight. And yeah the ending was a rough one. |
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Post by Bill Edwards on Dec 15, 2011 6:13:34 GMT
More 'council estate gothic'! A new genre. Loved the misty opening.
The Lol and Combo scene was amazing. Beautifully performed and moving.
I think Lol's dad's saying, 'I've a crick in me neck love. Couldn't give it a ickle rub could you?' ;D
Those moments are disturbing and very well done. They remind me of the Poltergeist table and chairs scene. Any shot of that living room gives me the chills too.
I thought Woody effin and blinding was a bit off too. Most lads would never say 'cunt' in that kind of situation with ladies around. Specially in those days when the word had much more power than it does today.
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Post by thedogsbollock on Dec 15, 2011 8:07:10 GMT
Please someone put me out of my misery. Just at the end of the play, about 40 minutes into Episode 2, there's a piano riff in the backing track which sounds exactly like the piano line in Professor Green's Astronaut
Am I just imagining this?
Blinding television, best of British, thanks a million
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Post by Dave on Dec 15, 2011 8:56:59 GMT
Those moments are disturbing and very well done. They remind me of the Poltergeist table and chairs scene. Any shot of that living room gives me the chills too. Yes, that room, and especially seeing the same sofa too. There was a lingering shot on it last night wasn't there at the end of the scene where Lol's dad was appearing again? Jill, you may be right about the order of when Woody said certain things in the xmas eve meal scene. I maybe muddled. I think I just felt that almost nobody would act like Woody was acting.. least of all someone like Woody. In that situation someone might totally blow up in spectacular style, or seethe in a contained way. I don't think anyone could get away with the stuff he was saying in that scene. |
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Post by telkevolon on Dec 15, 2011 10:42:05 GMT
Woddy only let "c*nt" burst out after his boss's girlfriend mentioned the promotion which Woody hadn't told anyone about at home, wrecking whatever plans Woddy was carrying out.
His boss mentions Woody not signing pen to paper yet and then Woody let's it burst out in frustration of his girfriend finding out and as a reaction to his boss mentioning that he hasn't put pen to paper yet.
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Post by jill on Dec 15, 2011 11:07:40 GMT
Yes, he did. I watched that scene again this am and it's definitely directed at his boss. Woody does have a bad case of tourettes it seems, but he's stressed and seems to have been holding in a lot of anger for a long time (his spitting at the sight of Milky etc). It's not very 'Woody-like' only if you think Woody wouldn't have been changed by all that's happened-he's basically the same-decent and funny-but he's also likely more cynical. True, it's 'heavy'-still is and even more so then. It would probably turn the audience against him if he said it to one of the well-meaning crushers, like his folks, but his boss is bloody awful. I thought the bit of dialogue about the vouchers was a very nice small moment that spoke volumes about him ('very precise' ;D).
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Post by Gareth on Dec 15, 2011 11:33:13 GMT
loved how much it was left to breathe, and the scene with Combo... don't have words for it or if you write for the Metro how much it "dragged on a bit" |
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Post by telkevolon on Dec 15, 2011 12:02:14 GMT
I thought the bit of dialogue about the vouchers was a very nice small moment that spoke volumes about him ('very precise' ;D). Oh yeah, the guy playing the role of Woody's boss is just amazing. Playing it perfectly. King of mediocrity. |
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Post by judecalverttoulmin on Dec 15, 2011 12:38:08 GMT
I just want to say massive congratulations to everyone involved, it's absolutely brilliant. The acting, directing, writing, locations....just everything. And Castle Market is in it, not only the ground floor but *the basement*! Yay! I particularly love the way the music fades up at certain points to take over the entire scene creating enormous pathos and out of body experience. Love Helen Behan as the nurse, Evelyn; fantastic stillness. And Katherine as Shaun's love interest has got a lovely stillness about her too - and I love this storyline too. As always brilliant performances from all the cast , Vicky McClure, what can you say? One of the finest actresses in the world. And I nearly cried with joy when Rosamund Hanson, who has consistently turned in some of my fave performances in all the TIEs (as I've banged on about on here previously) got the Life's Too Short gig. Nice one Rosamund. We just need the rest of the world to wake up to what an incredible actress Vicky McClure is now. I think in fact she's now my favourite living actress. And Thomas Turgoose just gets better and better, I love watching his performances. Last (but not least, ha!) Shane a massive big hug and kiss and thumbs up, you total legend  |
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Post by judecalverttoulmin on Dec 15, 2011 12:40:31 GMT
Oh, the only negative thing I'd have to say is I'd have loved to have seen more of Banjo as I love George Newton's portrayal of him.
And something else...the frank tackling of the subject of abuse...just think how many victims' lives may change for the better with this on the tele in the corner of their familyl living rooms, eh? This is social work at its best. BRAVO!!!
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Poor Smell.
