Criticisms of TIE (SPOILERS! You have been warned)

[Hyde]

I agree.

[Kezz]

My Citicisms/queries of T.I.E. are why was so much of it cut. I trust that shane wouldn't remove certain scenes without good reason.. But nearly every point you lot have made where u'v said
"I'd have liked to have seen this, I'd have liked to have seen that"..
well we did film that stuff!

I too was surprised at how fast Shaun being in the gang happened.. In the script it felt more towards the half-way mark when he did actually start to 'roll' with us..

All I can say is there must be a lorra, lorra material ready for those eagily anticipatd DVD extra's.

tonyyeboah said:

2. That scene when the skins are walking away from the wall for
no apparent reason

3. Not much explanation of Perry Benson' character. Just seems
to be there

Yea well I'l just re-itterate my points there,
That shot where they walk away from the wall is possibly my favourite. I'v been there, in Shauns position, walking with older darker people and feeling like you are the bigger & more respected than you actually are..
I also love how the innocence of the music plays over the top, as if they are thouroughly convinced what they are doing is for good.

As for Perry Benson playing Meggy, I think his 'sly' intro, and general character is typical of many people struggling to wind ways of dealing with their own insecurities.

[shanemeadows]

I don't get the bit where the Magician put's out the fire with his bone marro

[missdonk]

I think that the reason Shaun joins the gang so quickly is probably due to the fact that Woody is a father figure. As you don't see Shauns father in the film you do not know if he sees a bit of him in Woody. Plus the fact that all day people have laughed at his trousers and Woody is the only one who seems concerned that he looks upset without poking fun at him.

I like the idea of Meggy (Perry Benson) staying in the background of the film. It shows that when you do have gangs there are people who do conform and follow what others do even if they may feel it is wrong. Especially the fact that he is older than the gang.

And I also like the fact that you do not know the reason Combo was in prison. It shows the closeness that Woody and Combo have previously had and the fact that Woody is a changed man. He is obviously uncomfortable on Combos return so it gives you a hint that Woody may have been involved before in what Combo is involved in now. I would have liked to have known what the reason was for him being in prison but I think it is irrelevant.

The only other thing I can say is that I would have liked to have seen Woody more in the film but I wouldn't say that is a criticism. x

[tonyyeboah]

I wouldn't go into all this blah blah blah about why Shaun was accepted by the gang so quickly. kezz has said that they filmed the scenes and that it was a more gradual process in the script. It is clearly an editing decision, perhaps to pick up the pace of the film a bit.
If SHane was looking to make the film ultra realistic then I'm sure he would have given more screen time to the acceptance of Shaun

Did it work? Well yes because the film is great but it will be interesting to see what the critice make of it when it is released

[Dave]

shanemeadows said:

I don't get the bit where the Magician put's out the fire with his bone marro

Errrr??? Not sure what is being implied there.

[Dazza]

I havent seen the film yet so i have been carefull what I have read here and also carefull about what I say.

If you think about Shane's films so far and the duration of them 24/7, ARFRB, DMS they are not long films about an hour and a half minutes long a piece so maybe for editing purposes this is why some of these scenes have been cut. I think TIE is about 1 hour 40 so imagine having all that great footage but only cutting it back to an hour and 40 minutes, this was probably one of the hardest aspects of the films production what to leave in and what to take out.

[fattaxi]

shanemeadows said:

I don't get the bit where the Magician put's out the fire with his bone marro

Ah now theres a deleted scene i'm looking forward to!

Tell you one bit that made ma luagh out loud, was when they pulled up to combos house and Woody points out how big Banjos cup of Tea is! Ha Ha Its a bloody pint!

[shanemeadows]

There were a number of reasons that I made the choice to get Shaun and the gang together without the need for an extra scenarios. One was the fact that the Woody beating up the bully scene was not a great scene - We shot it twice and it wasn't great in either instance - and I'm a firm believer in cutting out the poison especially when it leads me to my next point...

As a kid, I remember very clearly being alone one minute then hanging round with a total stranger/s the next. I don't remember having to go through any film safe order of events to start hanging around with someone, If they had money - I was there, If they had Docs on - I wanted some etc, etc. It was not inconceivable to me that Woody continued his conversation with Gadget in the tunnel about Shaun which led to Gadget calling for him.

And finally, the original cut of the film was a very long time and my contract ties me into making films that aren't a very long time so you have to edit stuff down. I lost scenes that were far more valuable to the film than the Grange Hill Bully bashing, believe me!

Danny Cannon, Out!

[fattaxi]

Yeah I agree shady mate,

I think that woody beating up the bully would be a tad cliche so to speak.

Si

[Hyde]

I have to say.. I dont like this thread much at all. I know its just harmless critisism (and the critisism your giving it is weak) but the film really doesnt deserve it, especially when the makers of the film are on the site. (not implying they cant take critisism, its just stupid to do it as anyone that does have critisism clearly loves the film)

The film is perfect IMO and this talk of changing it and whatever being to quick isnt much fun so I'm out.

[Dave]

fattaxi said:

Yeah I agree shady mate,

I think that woody beating up the bully would be a tad cliche so to speak.

Si

Yeah, I mentioned that could possibly be the case earlier in the thread. I still like the idea of the scene though.

Calling this thread "criticisms of TIE" probably isn't the greatest starting point, as it just implies negativity.
Any thread like this is going to be annoying because it's basically people jealous of Shane's talent just picking at bits and pieces of the film that they think they could improve (I include myself in that). Very annoying! ;D

Speaking of which....

ShaneMeadows said:

As a kid, I remember very clearly being alone one minute then hanging round with a total stranger/s the next. I don't remember having to go through any film safe order of events to start hanging around with someone, If they had money - I was there, If they had Docs on - I wanted some etc, etc. It was not inconceivable to me that Woody continued his conversation with Gadget in the tunnel about Shaun which led to Gadget calling for him.

In TIE though, there is the added dimension of Shaun being bullied. Would this make him more wary of just falling in with such a gang? Or on the flip side, does Shaun see it as an escape from the school world, especially with Woody being such a charmer? I just talk myself in circles all the time.

I think the film is great, but I'm the sort of fool who is happy to pick at any film I really like, but only if the subject is raised. I don't set out to do this when watching a film at all. That would be mental. ;D

[jtrodreigez]

hyde surely you are not trying to quiet people saying what they think are you?

i think the fact people in it and made it are on the site is even more reason to be honest about any criticism. Lets not turn into a bunch of arse kissers eh.


saying that i am just sticking my beak in as usual and i haven't even seen the film.

[Dave]

jtrodreigez said:

hyde surely you are not trying to quiet people saying what they think are you?

i think the fact people in it and made it are on the site is even more reason to be honest about any criticism. Lets not turn into a bunch of arse kissers eh.


saying that i am just sticking my beak in as usual and i haven't even seen the film.

I agree with that JT. I was going to mention that it is probably quite healthy for such conversations to take place. A site with just arse-kissing and a 'can do no wrong' attitude will not make for an interesting site in the long run.

[Hyde]

jtrodreigez said:

hyde surely you are not trying to quiet people saying what they think are you?

Of course not, I was just saying what I think myself.

and I'm not arse kissing its genouinely how I feel, I love the film and the way I look at this thread is that it could take some of the magic away from it (not that it has) therefore I dont want to participate.

I'm just being honest!