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Post by PatrickCoyle on Oct 3, 2009 10:08:29 GMT
The lesson is probably that Neveldine and Taylor shouldn't write stuff for other people to direct.
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Post by Dave on Oct 4, 2009 20:33:28 GMT
The lesson is probably that Neveldine and Taylor shouldn't write stuff for other people to direct. It certainly seems that way. Just been reading that they have written, but not directed, a screenplay called Jonah Hex. Is that some comic book thing? I have no idea. Seems to have Megan Fox in it... oh dear. There's a good video interview with the chaps on Collider.com circa the release of Gamer, but it's about all of their works really: www.collider.com/2009/09/03/exclusive-interview-writer-directors-mark-neveldine-and-brian-taylor-gamer/ |
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Post by sinbad1971 on Nov 21, 2009 17:54:13 GMT
Saw Gamer last night, bit of a disappointment, there was a few flashes of brilliance like the song and dance routine at the end but not a patch on Crank 2 which is quite easily one of my favourite movies of the year. Better luck next time guys
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Post by Dave on Nov 22, 2009 14:52:44 GMT
Saw Gamer last night, bit of a disappointment, there was a few flashes of brilliance like the song and dance routine at the end but not a patch on Crank 2 which is quite easily one of my favourite movies of the year. Better luck next time guys I too loved the dance routine, although I hear many people found it a very crap moment. Pity Gamer was such a let-down, but I'm still on their side. It'll take a lot to ruin the brazen recklessness of the Crank films for me.... and like you said, their were still flashes of brilliance in Gamer. I'm looking forward to the extra features for Gamer quite a bit though. Far more than I am looking forward to seeing the film again. Some of the fast paced edit was to Gamers detriment I thought. When you have practical effects involving an airbourne motorcyclist being blown up mid-flight the fast cutting just makes you think it must be CGI. The edit kind of obscured the practical effects effort by not showing it clearly. Found a Neveldine & Taylor news story. They are connected to a script and at least a pilot episode of a new TV drama called "Zeroes". Apparently it is not a Heroes parody (which was my fear when I first read the title). "The Hollywood Reporter is describing “Zeroes” as a “high-intensity drama chronicling the last hour of a crisis situation.” Taylor elaborates, saying it is a “crisis show that doesn’t bore you with all the buildup leading to the crisis.” In other words, it is the anti-”Lost.” As of now, Neveldine and Taylor are attached to the script as well as to directing the pilot episode." Sounds like something they can pwn!!  www.collider.com/2009/11/02/neveldinetaylor-put-up-zeroes-for-nbc/www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i422dde68f61e91f24f6fd285b23076ccBrian Taylor says: "We want to drop right into it and sustain the absolute most berserk state of crisis, when all of the options have been exhausted" I'll take some of that!  |
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Post by Dave on Nov 24, 2009 22:18:53 GMT
Whoohooo! Got my copy of the Crank 1 Blu-ray the other day. It has not been released in the UK, and nobody can region hack the PS3 yet so I couldn't just get the American edition. Luckily it has just been released in Australia, and they are the same region as the UK (that's region B for Blu-Ray and region 2 for DVD). CDwow.com were my Crank dealers! ;D Not quite up to the fun standards of the Crank 2 disc, but there are still plenty of extra features to enjoy. The commentary is similar to the Crank 2 one, but this time it's snippets of interviews with different cast and crew that pop up on screen, not just Neveldine & Taylor. There are also moments when Chev's phone rings and you have to press enter to get some more behind the scenes footage. One thing that strikes you about the making of the two Crank films is how much smaller the HD cams have got in just the 2 years between the films. In Crank 1, Mark Neveldine was still a roller-blading camera operator for much of the time, but the equpment was so much bigger that he had to wear what looked like a Ghostbusters style back-pack of hard-drives with the camera body! It's still quite amazing to see how they did nearly all of the effects practically instead of with CGI. There were a couple of green screen shots they had to do where they say "we went all George Lucas for a couple of days and we hated it." It's stunning to see the "drop-rig" which they use to drop both Statham and Neveldine about 200ft to film the last moments of Chev's fall from the helicopter. It drops them at freefall speed until the last 20 feet when the computer controlled brake kicks in. Can only find this mini pic of the drop-rig: So many people are sick of all the CGI crap all over action films these days (me included).... so more people should be interested in the Neveldine & Taylor philosophy of doing as much as is humanly possible 'in-camera'. I still declare AUTEURS! Interesting to hear about the scene with Amy Smart hiccuping in the cafe. They were real hiccups and they just decided to go with it and see what happened to the scene. Similar to the Meadows philosophy on Le Donk don't you know. Bloody heck... I'm obsessed with these two film-making hooligans! Even if they make only shite from now on, and can see that I am still going to be interested in how it was made. Efron Ramirez was going to play the black gang leader in the club at the beginning. His audition for that part is on the disc. It's completely weird... I have no idea why they auditioned him for that role. How do you film Statham jumping from a flyover? You jump off with him of course! |
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Post by Dave on Dec 5, 2009 17:13:12 GMT
In my never ending conversation with myself, the story continues! ;D
I found an odd podcast interview with Mark Neveldine, and in it he said that 20th Century Fox approached them to write a Grand Theft Auto movie. He got a free PS3 and played GTA4 non-stop like a nutter. Sadly though it all fell through due to rights "BS". Shame. Crank always felt very close to GTA in my opinion.
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Post by Gareth on Dec 6, 2009 5:17:16 GMT
checked this out the other day, so glad I did and probably the only reason for bothering was because you've banged on about so much Dave!
it was bizarre watching this film because only hours before watching it I was speaking to a client about shooting a launch party promo thing saying it should be shot on fisheye lenses look really raw in a way like a skate vid and I even said rather than cut to different shots on the dance floor the camera should stay rolling while moving to the next possession and just ultra fast forward rather than cut, in short all about energy rather than slickness. After watching this film I knew exactly what to aim for and had something to show the client!
I love their style, its almost a shame in a way that this style cant be applied to any other films aside from breakneck action ones it has such an amazing live rawness to it and feels so so so much like a skate vid.
As for the GTA film its got to happen:
The opening credits should run with a reality birds eye view shot (as close to the very first game as possible) following the main character from above flying along in a shit car and as the credits go along, physically painted on the road, the soundtrack should be GTA style funny radio, (still in the original game birds eye view) as the car approaches a traffic jam the credits end, the main character sits at the traffic jam getting more and more inpatient, his impatience grows and grows as his patience is tested by people washing his windscreen and trying to sell him stuff, until he snaps and as he jumps out the car and commits his first act of violence we freeze frame and GTA fills the screen with the hit of a heavy punk guitar (like made in Britains title) then the violence and sillyness just increases throughout the film, police, roadblocks SWAT teams FBI, untill the army shoots the Apache helicopter he's stolen out of the sky, he jumps out and plummets to the ground, the police army fbi and media underneath him, at the very last moment he pulls his para shoot landing with a huge grin on his face as he's arrested.
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Post by Gareth on Dec 6, 2009 5:23:32 GMT
sure a lot of us would have a lot to say about how the GTA film should work! think it'd be a good thread
someones bound to make a GTA film one day and its almost certainly gonna be a disappointment!
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Post by Dave on Dec 6, 2009 12:56:44 GMT
checked this out the other day, so glad I did and probably the only reason for bothering was because you've banged on about so much Dave! it was bizarre watching this film because only hours before watching it I was speaking to a client about shooting a launch party promo thing saying it should be shot on fisheye lenses look really raw in a way like a skate vid and I even said rather than cut to different shots on the dance floor the camera should stay rolling while moving to the next possession and just ultra fast forward rather than cut, in short all about energy rather than slickness. After watching this film I knew exactly what to aim for and had something to show the client! That's brilliant! The look of Crank 2 is really brave in some respects for a mainstream action film. Despite it costing more to make, it actually looks more low-budget and guerilla style than the first one which is quite an inspired decision. You should see Gamer... not out on DVD until January I believe. It's not a great film by any means, but there are some rave/nightclub scenes in it that I'm sure would be more inspirational for your project! Not sure you can include the truly inspired thought process of; "Blood glows under UV light.... Raves/night-clubs have UV light.... let's have a bloody gun-fight in a night-club!" Gamer includes it though! ;D |
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Post by Dave on Dec 7, 2009 16:38:21 GMT
I found a secret and as yet unlaunched Neveldine and Taylor website. It doesn't come up in Google searches yet, and no other site seems to link to it either, so I better not start linking to it yet as it might cause trouble. It's not hard to work out the web address yourself though. Anyway, I posted a comment on the empty message board and got what I assume is a response from Mr Brian Taylor. Quality! I was praising them up obviously, but also mentioned how we need the Russians to buy more Crank and Crank 2 DVDs to get Crank 3D the green light (The films do particularly well in Russia and Germany for some reason). Well, Mr Taylor replied thanking for my early post and telling me the site isn't live yet, which is why it is so dead. He also mentioned that the Russians and the Germans are doing their job, and Crank 3D is already a 'swimming sperm'.  |
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Post by Davros on Dec 8, 2009 0:02:55 GMT
I found a secret and as yet unlaunched Neveldine and Taylor website. It doesn't come up in Google searches yet, and no other site seems to link to it either, so I better not start linking to it yet as it might cause trouble. It's not hard to work out the web address yourself though. Sperm/Legs, nice site they have there... Dave, you cant go pimping yourself out!! |
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Post by Dave on Dec 8, 2009 0:26:20 GMT
I found a secret and as yet unlaunched Neveldine and Taylor website. It doesn't come up in Google searches yet, and no other site seems to link to it either, so I better not start linking to it yet as it might cause trouble. It's not hard to work out the web address yourself though. Sperm/Legs, nice site they have there... Dave, you cant go pimping yourself out!! My pimping didn't get me anywhere. I just thought it would be a rather amusing thought to be involved with two such hugely different film-makers sites! I really hope Crank 3D does happen. If any film-makers can use 3D to the full, then it's those two loons. Forget James Cameron and his Aliens-crossed-with-The-Phantom-Menace effort. |
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Post by RydCook on Dec 8, 2009 15:45:45 GMT
I would absolutely love to see a GTA game by Neveldine and Taylor!! One of my favourite things about the Crank movies is the video game aspect.
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Post by Tash on Dec 10, 2009 0:06:41 GMT
Crank is a different breed of film. It is self-aware, but not ironic. Any laughable, lame, stupid, ridiculous, crap bits know that they are laughable, lame, stupid, ridiculous, crap bits. The film is directed and written with an awareness of all of this, and the film can pull it off too. OK, I'm taking you way back in this discussion, but it's 9 pages and I have to do this in stages. And thus, I shall retard you! ;D I kinda like Jason Statham in the action movies I've seen so far (except for Trasporter. But in all fairness, I wasn't in the mood for cheesy action at the time), and by the look of the cover of Crank, I lumped it with the Trasporter type as opposed to his Guy Ritchie-type stuff. And I suppose, I can handle the Transporter stuff, but I have to brace myself first. When you say it has ridiculous crap bits that knows it's ridiculous crap bits, do you mean like Shoot 'Em Up (ultra cheese with a funny catch phrase and unique carrot-kills, and Paul Giamatti in overdrive, but all done on purpose...oh god I HOPE it was done on purpose!!!) or is it a bit more stomachable? (Is that even a word? ;D) Because there's good cheese and bad cheese. |
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Post by Dave on Dec 10, 2009 0:41:40 GMT
Now there are some people who do think Shoot Em Up is similar to Crank, but I'm not one of them. One of the main differences for me is that the Crank films are genuinely subversive. The second film actively tries to alienate the fans of the first film who didn't quite get the fact that the first film was a satirical parody of action film excesses, gaming, and Hollywood life-styles. Those who didn't see anything in the first film other than a straight action film were conned wholesale by the film-makers. In Crank 2: High Voltage they ramp the crazy happenings and ideas up to full. Suddenly the action film fans of the first film are confronted with total madness and they hate it. The funny thing is that the first film was exactly the same in sentiment, but they just didn't notice. Idiots! Shoot Em Up is just silly, which is fine, but I didn't like it. I have found out that the director of Shoot Em Up is a big fan of the first Crank film though. Make of that what you will. Crank released 2006, Shoot Em Up 2007. Anyway, makes no difference really because I can get you to watch the Crank films with one simple sentence; The soundtrack for Crank 2: High Voltage is by Mike Patton. You really need to see Crank first though! ;D |
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