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Post by PatrickCoyle on Sept 12, 2010 15:11:57 GMT
Aye, I just took it at face value in the film. I was surprised so many people seemed to think it strange that he was in the series.
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Post by Gareth on Sept 12, 2010 16:55:56 GMT
I took it as totally ambiguous, I saw it as he was in critical condition and it could go either way
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Post by kate on Sept 12, 2010 21:25:23 GMT
Lol waiting for Woody's 'I do' broke my heart into a million pieces. Vicky McClure totally shone in this episode and made me feel what she was going through. And not many people could pull off that hair cut but she looked stunning!
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Post by tonyyeboah on Sept 13, 2010 14:06:11 GMT
Ello! Just read through this thread. Been real busy so haven't been able to post for a while. Safe to say, I DID watch TIE 86' on tues night.  I loved it. Like many others have said, my main complaint is the ad breaks. Which is unavoidable! Like Chrome and Dave. I do not watch much TV at all. I check out the odd Comedy, but even find it hard to keep up with them. Doing shift work means I'm never in the same nights every week. It's not that I don't like TV, i'm sure there's some good stuff, that I'd enjoy. I just don't have time for it. I'd rather be watching a film, making a film, on the internet or at work! The opening.. wow. Blew me away. Perfect. I always loved that deleted scene from TIE and like Jill says, I understand why it was cut, but still felt it'd have been amazing in the film. I very glad it's been put to use here, and it works wonderfully well. Can't believe some forumites didn't know the whole scene from the DVD deleted scenes! There's another one where Shaun meets up with Milky, answering the question "Is Milky okay?" ages ago! I guess, it not being in the film, it could have been either way though. Beautiful edit in the rain there.. absolutely perfect. The best opening. Flip - ha ha! He was great. I didn't think he was too OTT... Like others have said I've known a few people like this. I thought he was hilarious! Chips dialogue was great. Interesting to see Banjo in the gang, be cool to find out how he made the transition to all round nice bloke, as he was shockingly brutal in TIE, especially at the end. And now he's bringing vol-au-vents to weddings! ha ha! McClure was absolutely superb. You see it all in her eyes. Very, very good performance. Really good to see Lol's story. Tom Harper did a good job I reckon. It didn't feel totally quintessentially "Meadows" but it wasn't ever going to be was it? That's not the point. I think it was very well directed, performances were all strong (need to watch again for a better opinion on this). Never seen any of Tom Harper's films, but I'm sure he's got his mark on it. I take my hat off to him. Favourite scenes? Shaun and Smell's hospital scene, nice way to find out why Shaun isn't really in the gang anymore. Really felt like their scenes in the film. Also, Lol and Milky's scene was superb, beautifully shot, and performances from both were spot on. That's all my thoughts I think! Will just say it's a shame not to see Kez and Pukey. Harvey is good, like someone else has said, be good to see Shaun and him meet up again. Also, on the topic of mistakes. I never spotted any.. I wasn't alive in 86 though. I don't look out for this sort of thing anyway. That pizza thing is mental! Generally though, I tend to spot camera shadows. Have mentioned it before on the forum. I didn't notice any here though! Ha ha. I thought Lol and Milky's scene wasn't great mainly because Mcllure totally out acts Shim (sorry Shimmy!) There were a few too many coincidences in the plot like Shaun happening to go to the hospital on the same day as the rest of the gang and harvey running the wheelschair into Lol's mum which was a bit of naive storytelling. Overall it was good but I can't go along with the everything shane does is perfect brigade |
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Post by Dave on Sept 13, 2010 15:10:35 GMT
Overall it was good but I can't go along with the everything shane does is perfect brigade Spoilsport!  |
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Post by jill on Sept 13, 2010 15:14:22 GMT
Ello! Just read through this thread. Been real busy so haven't been able to post for a while. Safe to say, I DID watch TIE 86' on tues night. I loved it. Like many others have said, my main complaint is the ad breaks. Which is unavoidable! Like Chrome and Dave. I do not watch much TV at all. I check out the odd Comedy, but even find it hard to keep up with them. Doing shift work means I'm never in the same nights every week. It's not that I don't like TV, i'm sure there's some good stuff, that I'd enjoy. I just don't have time for it. I'd rather be watching a film, making a film, on the internet or at work! The opening.. wow. Blew me away. Perfect. I always loved that deleted scene from TIE and like Jill says, I understand why it was cut, but still felt it'd have been amazing in the film. I very glad it's been put to use here, and it works wonderfully well. Can't believe some forumites didn't know the whole scene from the DVD deleted scenes! There's another one where Shaun meets up with Milky, answering the question "Is Milky okay?" ages ago! I guess, it not being in the film, it could have been either way though. Beautiful edit in the rain there.. absolutely perfect. The best opening. Flip - ha ha! He was great. I didn't think he was too OTT... Like others have said I've known a few people like this. I thought he was hilarious! Chips dialogue was great. Interesting to see Banjo in the gang, be cool to find out how he made the transition to all round nice bloke, as he was shockingly brutal in TIE, especially at the end. And now he's bringing vol-au-vents to weddings! ha ha! McClure was absolutely superb. You see it all in her eyes. Very, very good performance. Really good to see Lol's story. Tom Harper did a good job I reckon. It didn't feel totally quintessentially "Meadows" but it wasn't ever going to be was it? That's not the point. I think it was very well directed, performances were all strong (need to watch again for a better opinion on this). Never seen any of Tom Harper's films, but I'm sure he's got his mark on it. I take my hat off to him. Favourite scenes? Shaun and Smell's hospital scene, nice way to find out why Shaun isn't really in the gang anymore. Really felt like their scenes in the film. Also, Lol and Milky's scene was superb, beautifully shot, and performances from both were spot on. That's all my thoughts I think! Will just say it's a shame not to see Kez and Pukey. Harvey is good, like someone else has said, be good to see Shaun and him meet up again. Also, on the topic of mistakes. I never spotted any.. I wasn't alive in 86 though. I don't look out for this sort of thing anyway. That pizza thing is mental! Generally though, I tend to spot camera shadows. Have mentioned it before on the forum. I didn't notice any here though! Ha ha. I thought Lol and Milky's scene wasn't great mainly because Mcllure totally out acts Shim (sorry Shimmy!) There were a few too many coincidences in the plot like Shaun happening to go to the hospital on the same day as the rest of the gang and harvey running the wheelschair into Lol's mum which was a bit of naive storytelling. Overall it was good but I can't go along with the everything shane does is perfect brigade It might have come across more 'scripted' than Shane's (often ad libbed) stuff does. Personally, I thought it was an awkward moment so Milky's awkwardness was appropriate. Contrivances are unavoidable in story-telling. How would you have got them in the same place without it coming across as 'naive'? Funny how that tends to happen on fan sites. There are always a few nit-pickers around to re-balance the universe though. |
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Post by RydCook on Sept 13, 2010 19:39:08 GMT
Ello! Just read through this thread. Been real busy so haven't been able to post for a while. Safe to say, I DID watch TIE 86' on tues night. I loved it. Like many others have said, my main complaint is the ad breaks. Which is unavoidable! Like Chrome and Dave. I do not watch much TV at all. I check out the odd Comedy, but even find it hard to keep up with them. Doing shift work means I'm never in the same nights every week. It's not that I don't like TV, i'm sure there's some good stuff, that I'd enjoy. I just don't have time for it. I'd rather be watching a film, making a film, on the internet or at work! The opening.. wow. Blew me away. Perfect. I always loved that deleted scene from TIE and like Jill says, I understand why it was cut, but still felt it'd have been amazing in the film. I very glad it's been put to use here, and it works wonderfully well. Can't believe some forumites didn't know the whole scene from the DVD deleted scenes! There's another one where Shaun meets up with Milky, answering the question "Is Milky okay?" ages ago! I guess, it not being in the film, it could have been either way though. Beautiful edit in the rain there.. absolutely perfect. The best opening. Flip - ha ha! He was great. I didn't think he was too OTT... Like others have said I've known a few people like this. I thought he was hilarious! Chips dialogue was great. Interesting to see Banjo in the gang, be cool to find out how he made the transition to all round nice bloke, as he was shockingly brutal in TIE, especially at the end. And now he's bringing vol-au-vents to weddings! ha ha! McClure was absolutely superb. You see it all in her eyes. Very, very good performance. Really good to see Lol's story. Tom Harper did a good job I reckon. It didn't feel totally quintessentially "Meadows" but it wasn't ever going to be was it? That's not the point. I think it was very well directed, performances were all strong (need to watch again for a better opinion on this). Never seen any of Tom Harper's films, but I'm sure he's got his mark on it. I take my hat off to him. Favourite scenes? Shaun and Smell's hospital scene, nice way to find out why Shaun isn't really in the gang anymore. Really felt like their scenes in the film. Also, Lol and Milky's scene was superb, beautifully shot, and performances from both were spot on. That's all my thoughts I think! Will just say it's a shame not to see Kez and Pukey. Harvey is good, like someone else has said, be good to see Shaun and him meet up again. Also, on the topic of mistakes. I never spotted any.. I wasn't alive in 86 though. I don't look out for this sort of thing anyway. That pizza thing is mental! Generally though, I tend to spot camera shadows. Have mentioned it before on the forum. I didn't notice any here though! Ha ha. I thought Lol and Milky's scene wasn't great mainly because Mcllure totally out acts Shim (sorry Shimmy!) There were a few too many coincidences in the plot like Shaun happening to go to the hospital on the same day as the rest of the gang and harvey running the wheelschair into Lol's mum which was a bit of naive storytelling. Overall it was good but I can't go along with the everything shane does is perfect brigade I agree with Jill, Milky's awkwardness suited the scene. I think i'd be just the same chatting to someone like that who I had a history with. I did think some of it was a little coincidental. But coincidence happens right? I should really say what I didn't like, just to balance things out. Wasn't a huge fan of the wheelchair scene. Didn't seem to have much point to it, other than a bit of comedy, and for the characters to bump onto Lol's mum. There ;D never said it was perfect, I just prefer to give more praise, for anything, not Just Shane's work. |
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Post by Dave on Sept 13, 2010 20:10:36 GMT
I should really say what I didn't like, just to balance things out. Wasn't a huge fan of the wheelchair scene. Didn't seem to have much point to it, other than a bit of comedy, and for the characters to bump onto Lol's mum. Yeah, I agree with that. You didn't need the wheelchair race to bump into Lol's mum. In fact I think it may have seemed less coincidental if they bumped into her while not doing anything 'crazy'. |
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Post by thegooddoctor on Sept 13, 2010 21:16:21 GMT
RE: rubbish wheelchair sequence - I think they were obviously trying to top the "pod racer" sequence from 'Star Wars'. There'll be a tie-in video game out before Christmas, you mark my words. I'm looking forward to "TiE '86" action figures, though. |
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Post by tonyyeboah on Sept 13, 2010 21:34:39 GMT
During the rooftop scene with Milky i wanted Lol to say "your a dipstick" and "so is Woody... fuck the pair of ya" before stomping off into the sunset.
She'd probably get run over by the psychotic gurning Flip on his motorbike tho...
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Post by paulfleetwood on Sept 13, 2010 21:39:44 GMT
Watched a second viewing on the Sky+ with mates, always makes the experience better watching a with a group of like minded people. Got to agree with the Lol and Milky scene on the rooftop, Milky comes across looking awkward and it affects his performance, please dont invole love plot between them, the chemistry is all wrong, act more like brother and sister. sorry to say the same but his acting is weak upto now, and i am not saying this in spite because i think he played a blinder as Romeo Brass. He not the worst acter in the show, that goes to the lass in the gang who never talks, if you give her some lines she might be worth not ignoring and if its a improvised scene, then come on girl talk up. infact did she even talk in the film? Is she mute? If she is then i am sorry for that remark and totally take it back, amazing performance if it is the latter.
The wheelchair scene i quite enjoyed with them messing about, coincidental with Shaun and Lol's mum being there, but yeh who's never been to hospital and not bumped into somone they know before, happened to me a few times.
Now the biker lad, forgot his name comes across as a proper first class wanker, and there were a few tosspots like him in gangs who have give me shit in my time, as a kid being sent to the shops to get some bread and tampons, and it didnt help because like Shaun i also have red hair, so i feel his pain, just why didnt he smack him one!! Come on Shaun for God's sake grow a pair! But yeh biker bully very very funny character, was just a bit perplexed with the scene where he hit Shaun smashing his head into a lava lamp causing him to split his head open, was this supposed to be funny, because the scene seemed to be played out this way involving biker bully. I know this episode isnt directed by Shane but in the film when a racist/violent scene came up there was a cue for a sad music overlay, which kind of told the audience and made them feel uneasy and saddened by what they were seeing. Ive always thought the music at these points didnt need to be inserted but thats just a personal feeling, but think it be interesting to see the violent scenes in the film without the musical overlay and see if they still have just as much impact, which im sure they will as the violent scene in Romeo Brass had no music over it and i thought it had more of a impact. Reason why in waxing lyrical about this is because i think the future directed Shane episodes will, like the film, go along the same route with the violent scenes having the music overlay possibly the same score as the film. Nothing against the score that was played because i thought the music was incrediable. Anyway back to what i was talking about before, the biker bully scene hitting Shaun was a little off, comically wrong for what happens to Shaun, and in a way a racist attack scene, with him attacking and bullying him for having ginger hair and being weak, which is what it is, should played a little differently and more seriously. A personal thought so dont attack me to much, because im not having a go at Shane because he didnt direct this episode and a think if he did it would been approched a little differently, given the subject matter.
Not knocking the show, because apart from the above and the unexplaination of Banjo joining the gang after the events of the film, apart from that i quite enjoyed it and will tune in for the second episode tomorrow night.
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Post by kelpie on Sept 13, 2010 22:09:37 GMT
I liked the whole tension between Woody, Milky and Lol. They've been friends joined at the hips since they were kids and so there's history between all of them. If Woody and Lol have been together all of that time, it makes sense to me for them to have reached that point where they'd question whether they are together out of habit, or love. Are they getting married because they want to, or because they think they're supposed to? I do think that Woody loves Lol and that was shown by the way he seemed to be genuinely panicking and the close up on his "Lol" tattoo. But he's immature and has always been a bit spineless. Milky seems to have possibly been harbouring romantic feelings for Lol for a long time. As for Lol... she is in an uncertain place herself right now and also seems to have doubts, although she was willing to say her vows. She has frustrations and maybe a feeling that she might have missed out on something somewhere. Perhaps she wants to feel valued? She comes across so cold and hard, but she wants her fella to be stronger for her. In the end, maybe everything that happens ends up being the best way of getting a happier future? I guess we'll see.  |
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Post by jill on Sept 13, 2010 23:09:48 GMT
Well, seems quite a few people-including me-didn't like the wheelchair bit too much. Personally, I didn't object to the wheel chair race. Another memory from '86, loads of 'fun' after the pub turned out lowering and lifting ourselves in and out of the bath in Hall in on our disabled friend's bath chair (tut, students eh-she also thought this 'hilarious' btw)-so this seems to be an established practice in British youth culture. I just thought the House Martins was too much-made it sort of Carry On and that jarred with the serious intercut bits. Would have worked better without music imo. Other than that, I thought it was pretty good given everything that the writers/director needed to do (which I've gone on about elsewhere, and so will not go on about again here).
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Post by Gareth on Sept 13, 2010 23:45:54 GMT
my mate was always in hospital and everytime we visited we used to sneak him out for a spilff so loved seeing them all drinking cans in the hospital room,
as for the wheelchair race it wasnt the race itself it was the explaining bit just before the race that didnt ring true for me. IMO it should have cut straight from the adverts into the middle of the wheelchair race
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Post by tonyyeboah on Sept 14, 2010 12:35:05 GMT
In the rooftop scene with Milky and Lol, Lol was all over it whereas Shimmy looked to be still at rehersal stage. I'd say TIE 86 ep 1 was the first time I've seen the down side of using "Amateur actors".
I agree with Fleetwood in that its pretty pointless on having members of the gang who don't ever say anything. It was the same with Kezz in TIE did he actuallt talk in the whole film?
Its pretty clear that our criticisms come from a good place though and TIE 86 is one of the best things i've seen on t.v this year. I'm just waiting for Shane to hit the ball out of the park still. I don't think he's got such uniformly good performances out of his entire cast since Romeo Brass
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